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Re: [SLE] The return of SUSE
- From: Adam Tauno Williams <adam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:29:30 -0500
- Message-id: <1142000970.7043.20.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > NLD is a Novell product, they are going to do research and make a
> > decision. This has to happen. As a system administrator in a shop
> > using both Open Source and proprietary solutions I can't begin to
> > explain how e-x-h-a-u-s-t-i-n-g this kind of 'debate' (I use the term
> > loosely) is. Companies want *PRODUCTS* not *PROJECTS*, companies don't
> > give a &*@^*&@ about projects. Companies need defined solutions to
> > problems, which is the point of all this technology in the first place.
> > If you don't like product A then you go find and buy product B. You can
> > use either GNOME or KDE, or several other, desktops on OpenSUSE (which
> > is really more of a project then a product). A company isn't going to
> > give it's users a desktop choice (not any SANE company at least) so why
> > would a desktop PRODUCT need to include multiple desktops (even if NLD
> > does)? If you don't like a desktop product you go and find another one.
> So? I was not asking the question which one is best, or why I would like to
> see any of the two as default. I just want to have an answer, whether Novell
> has decided that Gnome is better for their desktop-product. Whatever better
> means for them. If the decision was made, one should be able to state it
> clearly.
The product isn't a clear enough statement? Do I cask Kia why my car
has the dashboard laid out in a certain way? Really, shouldn't they be
able to explain the reasons to me clearly? No. If it doesn't work for
me - I buy a different car.
Allot of Novell developers are pretty vocal about their views, many even
BLOG, so your answer is out there.
> > > so one might have altering
> > > defaults, which is not really less confusing then having none.
> > > Is Novell going to re-asses the default on every release?
> > A sure way to sink the company.
> Oh, of course, the best companies are those that make a decision once and do
> not re-asses. Very convincing! So Novell will never ever have KDE as default
> again, no matter how good it becomes. Yep, makes sense.
Yes, it does - if it is true. You can't sell a bunch of product and
then turn it all around on your customers.
> > decision. This has to happen. As a system administrator in a shop
> > using both Open Source and proprietary solutions I can't begin to
> > explain how e-x-h-a-u-s-t-i-n-g this kind of 'debate' (I use the term
> > loosely) is. Companies want *PRODUCTS* not *PROJECTS*, companies don't
> > give a &*@^*&@ about projects. Companies need defined solutions to
> > problems, which is the point of all this technology in the first place.
> > If you don't like product A then you go find and buy product B. You can
> > use either GNOME or KDE, or several other, desktops on OpenSUSE (which
> > is really more of a project then a product). A company isn't going to
> > give it's users a desktop choice (not any SANE company at least) so why
> > would a desktop PRODUCT need to include multiple desktops (even if NLD
> > does)? If you don't like a desktop product you go and find another one.
> So? I was not asking the question which one is best, or why I would like to
> see any of the two as default. I just want to have an answer, whether Novell
> has decided that Gnome is better for their desktop-product. Whatever better
> means for them. If the decision was made, one should be able to state it
> clearly.
The product isn't a clear enough statement? Do I cask Kia why my car
has the dashboard laid out in a certain way? Really, shouldn't they be
able to explain the reasons to me clearly? No. If it doesn't work for
me - I buy a different car.
Allot of Novell developers are pretty vocal about their views, many even
BLOG, so your answer is out there.
> > > so one might have altering
> > > defaults, which is not really less confusing then having none.
> > > Is Novell going to re-asses the default on every release?
> > A sure way to sink the company.
> Oh, of course, the best companies are those that make a decision once and do
> not re-asses. Very convincing! So Novell will never ever have KDE as default
> again, no matter how good it becomes. Yep, makes sense.
Yes, it does - if it is true. You can't sell a bunch of product and
then turn it all around on your customers.
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