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Re: [SLE] Problems after update
- From: "Peter M. Groen" <pgroen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 18:32:00 +0100
- Message-id: <200602061832.00382.pgroen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Monday 6 February 2006 17:55, Erik Jakobsen wrote:
> Carl Hartung wrote:
> >On Sunday 05 February 2006 13:54, Erik Jakobsen wrote:
> >>Well to that I'll say, that I use the information mentioned on this URL:
> >>http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16592.html
> >
> >Hi Erik,
>
> Hi Carl.
>
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Dear List,
It is good to see how many people are willing to help each other on a list
like this.
SuSE is always sold (!) as an easy to use, perfect for beginners and
non-technical people distribution. When Novell took over SuSE they claimed
they should maintain the high standard SuSE users were used to. The opposite
seems to be true.
You buy a "distro" and from there, you are on your own. They release "fixes"
that could make your system unusable in the worst case. The main question
that rises my mind is "How the H&ll do they test their software, if it is
tested at all". And how do they expect to sell distributions, if their fixes
can ruin a *customers* machine, even if they say so in a (lousy IMO)
disclaimer. If you let people pay for your product, make it work or don't
sell it in the first place. The fact that official updates crash the machine,
is one of the main reasons why people switch to Linux from "the other
operating system". By releasing bad binaries or update scripts, you damage
the entire Linux community because most people don't see the difference
between a distribution and Linux in General.
One of the most common errors I saw in the updates, were the missing
sym-links. Did anyone tried to compile a QMake project under KDevelop (SuSE
10.0 boxed set) without creating a /usr/lib/qt3 link to the real directory?
( /usr/lib/qt3 is defined in the -spec files of Qt but the link is not created
during installation, so qmake, designer, assistant, uic and moc can not be
found as the PATH is set to the formentioned link) Every update of KDE or X,
seem to break the Screensaver links.
Again: This seems like untested to me.
My advice to beginners today would be: don't use SuSE for your every day work.
Nice to look at if you are curious, but for the serious user, please take
Fedora if you can. If it has some problems, you didn't pay EUR 68,= for it
and the amount of binaries are plenty on the Internet.
I know there is an OpenSuSE version now, but if people have a choice, they
choose applications. And the boxed set is more packed with that. Quite
simple.
I sincerely hope that Novell is reading this list, because since my previous
mail, I'm quite disappointed. I used SuSE Linux from version 5 but left this
distro since 9.0 because of the slow responses on the desktop. I bought the
boxed 10.0 set, but saw no improvements and reinstalled Fedora again.
Kind Regards,
--
Peter M. Groen
Open Systems Development
Klipperwerf 12
2317 DZ Leiden
T : +31-(0)71-5216317
M : +31-(0)6-29563390
E : pgroen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Skype : peter_m_groen
> Carl Hartung wrote:
> >On Sunday 05 February 2006 13:54, Erik Jakobsen wrote:
> >>Well to that I'll say, that I use the information mentioned on this URL:
> >>http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16592.html
> >
> >Hi Erik,
>
> Hi Carl.
>
---------------------[ 8< ]---------------------------------------------------
Dear List,
It is good to see how many people are willing to help each other on a list
like this.
SuSE is always sold (!) as an easy to use, perfect for beginners and
non-technical people distribution. When Novell took over SuSE they claimed
they should maintain the high standard SuSE users were used to. The opposite
seems to be true.
You buy a "distro" and from there, you are on your own. They release "fixes"
that could make your system unusable in the worst case. The main question
that rises my mind is "How the H&ll do they test their software, if it is
tested at all". And how do they expect to sell distributions, if their fixes
can ruin a *customers* machine, even if they say so in a (lousy IMO)
disclaimer. If you let people pay for your product, make it work or don't
sell it in the first place. The fact that official updates crash the machine,
is one of the main reasons why people switch to Linux from "the other
operating system". By releasing bad binaries or update scripts, you damage
the entire Linux community because most people don't see the difference
between a distribution and Linux in General.
One of the most common errors I saw in the updates, were the missing
sym-links. Did anyone tried to compile a QMake project under KDevelop (SuSE
10.0 boxed set) without creating a /usr/lib/qt3 link to the real directory?
( /usr/lib/qt3 is defined in the -spec files of Qt but the link is not created
during installation, so qmake, designer, assistant, uic and moc can not be
found as the PATH is set to the formentioned link) Every update of KDE or X,
seem to break the Screensaver links.
Again: This seems like untested to me.
My advice to beginners today would be: don't use SuSE for your every day work.
Nice to look at if you are curious, but for the serious user, please take
Fedora if you can. If it has some problems, you didn't pay EUR 68,= for it
and the amount of binaries are plenty on the Internet.
I know there is an OpenSuSE version now, but if people have a choice, they
choose applications. And the boxed set is more packed with that. Quite
simple.
I sincerely hope that Novell is reading this list, because since my previous
mail, I'm quite disappointed. I used SuSE Linux from version 5 but left this
distro since 9.0 because of the slow responses on the desktop. I bought the
boxed 10.0 set, but saw no improvements and reinstalled Fedora again.
Kind Regards,
--
Peter M. Groen
Open Systems Development
Klipperwerf 12
2317 DZ Leiden
T : +31-(0)71-5216317
M : +31-(0)6-29563390
E : pgroen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Skype : peter_m_groen
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