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Re: [SLE] An idea for YOU and SUSE
  • From: Bruce Marshall <bmarsh@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:33:11 -0500
  • Message-id: <200602111233.11434.bmarsh@xxxxxxxxxx>
On Saturday 11 February 2006 12:08, John Perry wrote:
> Ken Schneider wrote:
> >On Sat, 2006-02-11 at 13:52 +0100, Jos van Kan wrote:
> >>No they are not security updates. Most of them are localization files
> >> (for OO 1 for crying out loud) and I agree with Allen that it would be
> >> nice to be able to say "No I'm not downloading those files, not now, not
> >> ever, never". And whether they are crap or not is all in the eye of the
> >> beholder.
> >
> >I believe that the people that volunteer their time to write these
> >programs would highly disagree with you calling them crap.
>
> OK, so I've maybe used inappropriate terms to emphasize the frustration
> that the huge mass of (to me) useless information engenders. To anyone
> who feels I have offended them, I apologize.
>
> >But I will
> >also agree that displaying patches/updates that do not apply to what I
> >have installed should have a means of being hidden from view just as
> >installed patches/updates are. Provide an option in the pulldown to
> >should patches/updates for packages -not- installed.
>
> Which is all any of us have asked for. If it's easy to do, it should be
> done soon. If it's hard, say so. But it should be addressed. Decades
> of research in human factors design have shown that too much
> information, especially inappropriate information, can be worse than too
> little. We should not have to wade through piles of localization tweaks
> to find important security updates. As I mentioned before, the apparent
> tendency to have really new stuff at the beginning relieves to a
> substantial degree the problem, but does not altogether eliminate it.
>
> Actually, I'd like to see a firm statement from someone who really knows
> that new updates will always be at the beginning. Someone who is
> involved in, or associated with, the YOU designers at suse. That would
> make me feel much better about ignoring the long list of, uh,
> "information I don't need and can't use" :-).

I guess if this issue is the only thing customers have on their mind, then the
SuSE distro is in pretty good shape. :-)

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