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Re: [SLE] Yes I am bitter.
- From: David Wright <david.wright@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:39:01 +0100
- Message-id: <200602251139.01857.david.wright@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Am Samstag, 25. Februar 2006 11:13 schrieb Per Jessen:
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > Normally I wouldn't post a reference to this type of article here, but
> > since the subject is about video drivers and the severe frustration a
> > number of people have had, I think it's appropriate.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > http://www.driverheaven.net/~pete/article5.htm
>
> I have to say - someone who switches operating system ("I haven?t used
> Linux since November") purely because his graphics card isn't supported
> needs a rethink of priorities.
>
>
>
> /Per Jessen, Zürich
Agreed, and reading some of the comments on their forum is amusing. I was
unlucky and "forgot" my own advice and bought an ATi based laptop last year,
bad move and a move I won't repeat again! (Well, I needed a laptop quickly
with good 3D performance for a gaming marathon when I was visiting a friend
and the only laptops available locally in the time frame were either Intel
integrated graphics or ATi.)
The X700 based laptop suffers from similar problems, although at least the ATi
drivers support it in 2D mode now. The OSS radeon drivers can't even drive
the chipset at 800x600, so I don't even get a default desktop to install the
official ATi drivers or download them. Luckily it isn't my only machine...
Somebody on the forum was also defensive about Linux users not having any
affect on the buying decisions of others. Personally I don't think this is
true, for the hardcore gamer, they might go to web sites looking for reviews
of the ultimate gaming cards, but a majority of people don't have a clue and
ask their "techy" friends what to buy... After all the problems I had over
the years with buggy ATi drivers under Windows and nearly non-existent
support under Linux, I steer everybody away from ATi chipsets when I can,
because I know that I will be the one called in when they screw up, whether
it is Windows or Linux.
A friend was buying a new laptop and had a shortlist of five possible
solutions, after 10 seconds with the spec sheets, I had discounted 3 because
they had ATi chipsets, which left one nVidia and one Intel chipset, as she
only uses it for office work, the 3D needs weren't that important, so going
for the nVidia over the Intel wasn't a priority, but the general spec of the
nVidia machine was better than the Intel chipset. Probably the ATi had some
advantages in the rest of their specs over the other two (and in graphic
performance definitely over the Intel one), but the fact that they were ATi
based had automatically blacklisted them...
Dave
--
"I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way
to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing
made by men, and by God that's something we can change."
- The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
> Fred A. Miller wrote:
> > Normally I wouldn't post a reference to this type of article here, but
> > since the subject is about video drivers and the severe frustration a
> > number of people have had, I think it's appropriate.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > http://www.driverheaven.net/~pete/article5.htm
>
> I have to say - someone who switches operating system ("I haven?t used
> Linux since November") purely because his graphics card isn't supported
> needs a rethink of priorities.
>
>
>
> /Per Jessen, Zürich
Agreed, and reading some of the comments on their forum is amusing. I was
unlucky and "forgot" my own advice and bought an ATi based laptop last year,
bad move and a move I won't repeat again! (Well, I needed a laptop quickly
with good 3D performance for a gaming marathon when I was visiting a friend
and the only laptops available locally in the time frame were either Intel
integrated graphics or ATi.)
The X700 based laptop suffers from similar problems, although at least the ATi
drivers support it in 2D mode now. The OSS radeon drivers can't even drive
the chipset at 800x600, so I don't even get a default desktop to install the
official ATi drivers or download them. Luckily it isn't my only machine...
Somebody on the forum was also defensive about Linux users not having any
affect on the buying decisions of others. Personally I don't think this is
true, for the hardcore gamer, they might go to web sites looking for reviews
of the ultimate gaming cards, but a majority of people don't have a clue and
ask their "techy" friends what to buy... After all the problems I had over
the years with buggy ATi drivers under Windows and nearly non-existent
support under Linux, I steer everybody away from ATi chipsets when I can,
because I know that I will be the one called in when they screw up, whether
it is Windows or Linux.
A friend was buying a new laptop and had a shortlist of five possible
solutions, after 10 seconds with the spec sheets, I had discounted 3 because
they had ATi chipsets, which left one nVidia and one Intel chipset, as she
only uses it for office work, the 3D needs weren't that important, so going
for the nVidia over the Intel wasn't a priority, but the general spec of the
nVidia machine was better than the Intel chipset. Probably the ATi had some
advantages in the rest of their specs over the other two (and in graphic
performance definitely over the Intel one), but the fact that they were ATi
based had automatically blacklisted them...
Dave
--
"I got to go figure," the tenant said. "We all got to figure. There's some way
to stop this. It's not like lightning or earthquakes. We've got a bad thing
made by men, and by God that's something we can change."
- The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck
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