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Re: [opensuse] Internet updates on SuSE 10.1
- From: SOTL <sotl155360@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:18:10 -0500
- Message-id: <200602181418.11370.sotl155360@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Saturday 18 February 2006 01:00 pm, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2006 at 17:38:24, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > > What's wrong with http://en.opensuse.org/Factory_Distribution ?
> > > It should fulfill all your requirements. The Betas are simply snapshots
> > > of the Factory Distribution. You can install a Beta (unchanging, fixed
> > > source), then change your installation source to Factory. This will
> > > give you daily updates to the Beta relase in an incremental way and
> > > you can stay up-to-date regardless of when the next Beta is released.
> >
> > I'd like to see either yum/smart/yast preconfigured on beta
> > install disks to include repos for continued update, and possibly
> > instead of setting the default home page in firefox to a novell page you
> > could try setting a beta testing howto page located within the
> > distribution as the default home page enabling beta testers to get
> > started using/testing the distribution.
>
> Hooray. You found your first two bugs in SUSE Linux. Please report them
> to bugzilla.novell.com :)
>
> > I think novell have done some great things for suse but they also seem
> > to have broken the community somewhat, there is growing disrespect for
> > the way novell are doing things they seem to have lost connectivity with
> > the community and concentrated on what linux can do for them, rather
> > than what they can do for linux, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
>
> Sorry but thats a rather bold statement. Novell is part of the community
> so there is no way to loose connectivity. Novell employs more than a
> hundred top linux/opensource developers. Like more than 20 kernel
> developers, more than 30 KDE/GNOME developers, more than 10 toolchain
> (gcc, glibc, binutils) developers, more then 40 individuals that are
> lead developers in other major projects like OpenOffice, AppArmor,
> SAMBA, X.org, alsa, mono, hal/udev, Hula, gphoto, wine, pam, swamp,
> mlmmj, screen. Just to name a few. So there is no distinction between
> Novell and "the community". Novell is a big part of "the commnuity" not
> something that stands aside.
>
> Henne
Having fought the good fight and consistently loosing I have only one set of
advice.
If it don't work report it.
If it may not work report it.
If you think it don't work report it.
If you believe that it might not work when there is a blue moon and the
plantest don't aline report it.
Sorting out the mess and proofing their product is what all those engineers
are for.
Think of it this way when you buy a box set of SuSE you are not buying Linux,
Gnome, KDE et. what you are buying is the quality from having a company proof
the distribution. That is all. Just their proof that the distribution AS A
WHOLE functions correctly. So report what the issues are so that they may be
corrected.
SOTL
> Hi,
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2006 at 17:38:24, Karl Lattimer wrote:
> > > What's wrong with http://en.opensuse.org/Factory_Distribution ?
> > > It should fulfill all your requirements. The Betas are simply snapshots
> > > of the Factory Distribution. You can install a Beta (unchanging, fixed
> > > source), then change your installation source to Factory. This will
> > > give you daily updates to the Beta relase in an incremental way and
> > > you can stay up-to-date regardless of when the next Beta is released.
> >
> > I'd like to see either yum/smart/yast preconfigured on beta
> > install disks to include repos for continued update, and possibly
> > instead of setting the default home page in firefox to a novell page you
> > could try setting a beta testing howto page located within the
> > distribution as the default home page enabling beta testers to get
> > started using/testing the distribution.
>
> Hooray. You found your first two bugs in SUSE Linux. Please report them
> to bugzilla.novell.com :)
>
> > I think novell have done some great things for suse but they also seem
> > to have broken the community somewhat, there is growing disrespect for
> > the way novell are doing things they seem to have lost connectivity with
> > the community and concentrated on what linux can do for them, rather
> > than what they can do for linux, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
>
> Sorry but thats a rather bold statement. Novell is part of the community
> so there is no way to loose connectivity. Novell employs more than a
> hundred top linux/opensource developers. Like more than 20 kernel
> developers, more than 30 KDE/GNOME developers, more than 10 toolchain
> (gcc, glibc, binutils) developers, more then 40 individuals that are
> lead developers in other major projects like OpenOffice, AppArmor,
> SAMBA, X.org, alsa, mono, hal/udev, Hula, gphoto, wine, pam, swamp,
> mlmmj, screen. Just to name a few. So there is no distinction between
> Novell and "the community". Novell is a big part of "the commnuity" not
> something that stands aside.
>
> Henne
Having fought the good fight and consistently loosing I have only one set of
advice.
If it don't work report it.
If it may not work report it.
If you think it don't work report it.
If you believe that it might not work when there is a blue moon and the
plantest don't aline report it.
Sorting out the mess and proofing their product is what all those engineers
are for.
Think of it this way when you buy a box set of SuSE you are not buying Linux,
Gnome, KDE et. what you are buying is the quality from having a company proof
the distribution. That is all. Just their proof that the distribution AS A
WHOLE functions correctly. So report what the issues are so that they may be
corrected.
SOTL
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