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Re: [opensuse] Official openSUSE web forum
- From: wcuestas-gmail <wcuestas@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:10:57 -0500
- Message-id: <1138371058.23986.59.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi, I agree 100% with item 4, We need and "Spanish spoken here" forum.
Regards,
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:26 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
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> I'm starting a new thread, sorry, but the original one has been hijacked several times and mutated
> into something unreadable.
>
> Could we please try to summarize and get into some decisions and/or action items ?
> We are discussing alright but getting nowhere.
>
> And this time, please:
> - - don't just post to say something about someone's signature
> - - don't discuss what software should be used, we're not even near that point (if at all)
> - - don't discuss about having an NNTP gateway or something, this is not the topic, we can discuss
> that later on, or start another thread
> - - NO THREAD HIJACKING PLEASE, let's really try to get into some real actions or we'll be discussing
> this during 3 weeks and still get nowhere (although I think we've reached the point where almost
> everyone is sick of discussing it, so let's keep the topic up right now and get to a decision)
>
> To pick up Sonja's mail:
>
> 1. Do we want/need openSUSE web forum(s)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Answer is: YES.
>
> I think we've debated this long enough and there seems to be a concenscius that we indeed need an
> official forum.
> Unless you have a strong argument against it, don't discuss this all over again.
> Don't reply to say you agree, only reply on this item if you have a strong point against it (liking
> it or not isn't a strong point ;)).
>
> 2. Will it take resources away from other SUSE tasks
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I think we first need to decide how to proceed, we can discuss that afterwards, before doing what
> we're actually going to decide.
>
> Yes, it will take some resources away if we decide to have a _new forum_:
> - - hosting, installing the web forum software
> - - maintaining it (tuning, keep up with security patches)
>
> As far as _moderation_ is concerned, I think that can be left to people from the community.
> We'll make a call for volunteers and, obviously, having the people who already do that on existing
> SUSE community forums would be a plus.
>
> Unless you have a strong argument to make about this item, don't reply, I think it's of no use to
> discuss that right now. Let's get to it step by step. Let's first decide what we want and how we
> want it, then we'll see how we will do it (including the priority with regards to how much
> ressources it will take away from other tasks).
>
> 3. Do we create a new forum or do we elect one of the existing
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> We're pretty much going nowhere on this issue, as opinions seem to be 50/50.
> I have expressed my gripes about creating a new one. I think that would alienate the existing forum
> community and really wouldn't be a nice move.
> On the other hand, having a single forum "forum.opensuse.org" has advantages:
> - - centralized
> - - easier for beginners to find their way
> - - when people don't know where to ask (because there's more than one forum around), this would be
> the place
> - - maybe we could aggregate existing forums into a very large one
>
> The other option being to elect existing forums to become the "official" one(s) (I'm putting an (s)
> because of forums per language, read the next point).
>
> But I think we're stuck on this one. I suggest we should contact the maintainers+moderators of the
> largest currently existing SUSE web forums.
>
> Let's start by making a list of whom to contact (this is the list of forums on the Communicate page)
> - - http://linuxclub.de (in german) (Henne already volunteered to contact them)
> - - http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/ (in english)
> - - http://www.suseforums.net/ (in english)
> - - http://www.alionet.org/ (in french)
> - - http://forum.suse.pl/ (in polisch)
> - - http://www.susebr.org/ (in brazilian portuguese)
> - - http://www.suseitalia.org/ (in italian)
>
> If you know some large forum that is not mentioned above, please add it in a reply.
> AFAIK the first 3 forums on the list above are the largest ones, but the others are
> language-specific (so is linuxclub.de though).
>
> (BTW, AFAICR suseforums.net was created as a split of suselinuxsupport.de because the moderators had
> some internal fights, so... it might not be that easy to get them together, but let's try anyway ;))
>
> Anyone volunteering to find out who the maintainers are and send them a nice email ?
> Let's invite them on the opensuse ML and ask them about their opinion, they're certainly the most
> valuable and I really wouldn't want this discussion to happen behind their backs.
>
> Which leads us to a new point...
>
> 4. Internationalized forums ?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Should we have one official forum per language ?
> e.g. http://de.forum.opensuse.org, http://fr.forum.opensuse.org, ...
>
> As web forums are 100% geared towards user friendliness and mostly towards less technology-savvy
> users, I think it makes a lot of sense as indeed not everyone speaks english (or at least not well
> enough). Not to bash anyone but this is particularely true for e.g. fr, sp, pt/br, it, pl.
>
> Agreed ? or not ?
>
> 5. Wait for and use Novell's proprietary forums ?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I think everyone agreed to a clear "NO" on this one, doesn't need to be discussed further.
> 1) we don't want to wait
> 2) using proprietary forum software doesn't really make sense, but let's not discuss this item right
> now, we'll have an own topic about which forum software to use later (although IMO that's a decision
> that's up to whom will host it)
>
> If you have other important aspects to address, add them.
> But please, mates, let's try to make some decisions and actions items out of this, don't post just
> to make some noise or to start discussing something unrelated or that doesn't need to be discussed
> _right now_. Let's concentrate on the items above (or anything else that fits into the decision
> process as of now).
>
> cheers
> - --
> -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
> /\\ <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxx> <guru@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane.
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Regards,
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:26 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
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> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'm starting a new thread, sorry, but the original one has been hijacked several times and mutated
> into something unreadable.
>
> Could we please try to summarize and get into some decisions and/or action items ?
> We are discussing alright but getting nowhere.
>
> And this time, please:
> - - don't just post to say something about someone's signature
> - - don't discuss what software should be used, we're not even near that point (if at all)
> - - don't discuss about having an NNTP gateway or something, this is not the topic, we can discuss
> that later on, or start another thread
> - - NO THREAD HIJACKING PLEASE, let's really try to get into some real actions or we'll be discussing
> this during 3 weeks and still get nowhere (although I think we've reached the point where almost
> everyone is sick of discussing it, so let's keep the topic up right now and get to a decision)
>
> To pick up Sonja's mail:
>
> 1. Do we want/need openSUSE web forum(s)
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Answer is: YES.
>
> I think we've debated this long enough and there seems to be a concenscius that we indeed need an
> official forum.
> Unless you have a strong argument against it, don't discuss this all over again.
> Don't reply to say you agree, only reply on this item if you have a strong point against it (liking
> it or not isn't a strong point ;)).
>
> 2. Will it take resources away from other SUSE tasks
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I think we first need to decide how to proceed, we can discuss that afterwards, before doing what
> we're actually going to decide.
>
> Yes, it will take some resources away if we decide to have a _new forum_:
> - - hosting, installing the web forum software
> - - maintaining it (tuning, keep up with security patches)
>
> As far as _moderation_ is concerned, I think that can be left to people from the community.
> We'll make a call for volunteers and, obviously, having the people who already do that on existing
> SUSE community forums would be a plus.
>
> Unless you have a strong argument to make about this item, don't reply, I think it's of no use to
> discuss that right now. Let's get to it step by step. Let's first decide what we want and how we
> want it, then we'll see how we will do it (including the priority with regards to how much
> ressources it will take away from other tasks).
>
> 3. Do we create a new forum or do we elect one of the existing
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> We're pretty much going nowhere on this issue, as opinions seem to be 50/50.
> I have expressed my gripes about creating a new one. I think that would alienate the existing forum
> community and really wouldn't be a nice move.
> On the other hand, having a single forum "forum.opensuse.org" has advantages:
> - - centralized
> - - easier for beginners to find their way
> - - when people don't know where to ask (because there's more than one forum around), this would be
> the place
> - - maybe we could aggregate existing forums into a very large one
>
> The other option being to elect existing forums to become the "official" one(s) (I'm putting an (s)
> because of forums per language, read the next point).
>
> But I think we're stuck on this one. I suggest we should contact the maintainers+moderators of the
> largest currently existing SUSE web forums.
>
> Let's start by making a list of whom to contact (this is the list of forums on the Communicate page)
> - - http://linuxclub.de (in german) (Henne already volunteered to contact them)
> - - http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/ (in english)
> - - http://www.suseforums.net/ (in english)
> - - http://www.alionet.org/ (in french)
> - - http://forum.suse.pl/ (in polisch)
> - - http://www.susebr.org/ (in brazilian portuguese)
> - - http://www.suseitalia.org/ (in italian)
>
> If you know some large forum that is not mentioned above, please add it in a reply.
> AFAIK the first 3 forums on the list above are the largest ones, but the others are
> language-specific (so is linuxclub.de though).
>
> (BTW, AFAICR suseforums.net was created as a split of suselinuxsupport.de because the moderators had
> some internal fights, so... it might not be that easy to get them together, but let's try anyway ;))
>
> Anyone volunteering to find out who the maintainers are and send them a nice email ?
> Let's invite them on the opensuse ML and ask them about their opinion, they're certainly the most
> valuable and I really wouldn't want this discussion to happen behind their backs.
>
> Which leads us to a new point...
>
> 4. Internationalized forums ?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Should we have one official forum per language ?
> e.g. http://de.forum.opensuse.org, http://fr.forum.opensuse.org, ...
>
> As web forums are 100% geared towards user friendliness and mostly towards less technology-savvy
> users, I think it makes a lot of sense as indeed not everyone speaks english (or at least not well
> enough). Not to bash anyone but this is particularely true for e.g. fr, sp, pt/br, it, pl.
>
> Agreed ? or not ?
>
> 5. Wait for and use Novell's proprietary forums ?
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I think everyone agreed to a clear "NO" on this one, doesn't need to be discussed further.
> 1) we don't want to wait
> 2) using proprietary forum software doesn't really make sense, but let's not discuss this item right
> now, we'll have an own topic about which forum software to use later (although IMO that's a decision
> that's up to whom will host it)
>
> If you have other important aspects to address, add them.
> But please, mates, let's try to make some decisions and actions items out of this, don't post just
> to make some noise or to start discussing something unrelated or that doesn't need to be discussed
> _right now_. Let's concentrate on the items above (or anything else that fits into the decision
> process as of now).
>
> cheers
> - --
> -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
> /\\ <pascal.bleser@xxxxxxxxx> <guru@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane.
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>
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> To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-help@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
--
Walter Cuestas Agramonte
InfoSec / Open Source Consultant
http://www.open-sec.com
http://wcuestas.blog-city.com
Phone : 511-97926168
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