On Sat, 17 Dec 2005, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
This would be a good motor of the community aspect. We need a "build host" architecture and a "hidden mirror source", nothing more.
Eberhard, what do you mean with "hidden mirror source" ?
SUSE did never have sufficient infrastructure and/or bandwidth to say "we finally have done it, now just take it". You know what "slashdotting" means...
Better timing + clear-sighted communication would have helped sometimes ;)
So OpenSUSE would benefit from a solid mirror hierarchy.
I just have stated "it is already present". If the OpenSUSE project feels encouraged to use the SUSE distribution mirror hierarchy. And if they would think they should not feel (but we all know they already ACT like feeling this way), they simply would have to invoke a separate mirror hierarchy. They would get it, and I would help too.
Having a mature mirror infrastructure in place is very important to the overall success of the openSUSE project - we will need to address this issue preferably soon. This should also include discussing new / innovative technologies (like drpmsync+tools, jigdo, bittorrent, etc.) beyond rsync to keep the mirrors in-sync with a minimal delay. Realistically we should postpone this topic to early January, when people get back from vacation after the holidays.
* The openSUSE project fades away (both, inside and outside of Novell), or does gain momentum soon enough.
In my guess, "openSUSE" is just an effort to integrate what has lived aside since a long time. Just listen to the suser-* packagers, and you will reach the goal blindly.
Well not necessarely blindly, but I know we can provide a lot in terms of experience, ideas, suggestions and manpower.
OK, OK. But don't forget that the openSUSE team currently is claiming tnat they want to invent/invoke such people as you already are since years. So we have to tell them "already here".
No worries - you guys have already attracted our attention ;)
As I already wrote on the opensuse mailing-list some months ago (part of that lot of emails that got lost in some black hole between the SUSE 10.0 release rush and the SUSE staff taking holidays after that), in my opinion we should try to: a) coordinate the community/"suser" packagers, make it more of a joint effort instead of disparate repositories as of now (a few things have been made towards that direction, but not much, and definitely not enough) b) grow the packager community, help, review, teach
Well. My guess is: integration/communication is the spot. Everything wanted is alredy existing, we simply needthe "big integration".
... the $build_service will ultimately facilitate that integration. ATM I have the impression that our whole build service vision hasn't spread that much yet. Everyone, the documents that are on http://www.opensuse.org/Build_Service_Team deliver quite some inside on this topic. If you have comments / questions on those documents, please feel free to refer to this mailing list. Always remember: There's no such thing as a dumb question!
* It is unclear, how the community can participate.
Reporting, requesting, discussing, packaging.
It's not totally clear how the community can participate as of now, as not enough has been "opened up" until now (but I know that you know, and that you're working on that). Nevertheless: - - testing, reporting bugs - - spreading the word - - making packages (*), testing those packages, provide feedback, communicate with upstream - - helping users: forums, IRC, mailing-lists
At least: every partitipant or volunteer is able to go on straight (via nis own ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/linux/suse/suser-* directory) and invited to hope that the openSUSE project will offer better opportunities.
Let's delay this aspect and rate again after 6 months, just to get a better feeling if Novell is more claiming than acting.
You may rest assured Eberhard that we are seriously committed to arrive what we have been talking about for a few month now!
High priority item: bugzilla for packages, including community stuff
But you can already enter your bugs into bugzilla.
... but as of now bugzilla.novell.com is only used to track bugs for packages that are maintained by Novell / SUSE. Having a central place to track bugs for all packages that are available for SUSE Linux would be preferable IMHO. Regards Christoph