Well, after reading this thread I decided to fire up Gnome for the first time in three years. It looked ok.. seemed to behave ok... but after I while I figured out I had been lied to by it's pretty face. When I fired up Firefox it was mangled. Gnome had managed to not let me click on any popdown menu or button and the toolbar bookmarks were completely missing. I thought I'd done something wrong so I removed all dot files and tmp files associated with Gnome and shutdown to a login prompted. I then logged in and started Gnome once more.. nope.. Firefox was smoked as far as using it in Gnome. I logged out and started KDE.. and Firefox worked fine. So as far as I'm concerned.. unless SUSE gets Gnome a LOT more polished then it is at present.. I'll not be using Gnome for anything. I do wonder something though. This change is to SLES and NLD right? Well, why would ANYONE *need* a UI to admin a Linux server is beyond me so the SLES thing is no biggie. The NLD issue is solved by using SUSE Pro I would think. I guess if SUSE mangles support for KDE that I'll just find something else to use as a desktop OS on my Dell.. maybe Kubuntu or something. I certainly won't be using Gnome. *shrug* -Ben -- Atheism is a non-prophet organization.