On Mon November 7 2005 22:12, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
On 11/7/05, Steven T. Hatton
wrote: You have described every experience I have ever had with GNOME. The KDE OTOH, is rock solid. Sure, some things go bonkers from time to time, but I'm usually running the bleeding edge bits, or even my own builds. I hope Novell execs aren't stup^h^h^h^h thinking they can get a better deal by cutting TrollTech out of the picture. The best remember, that knife cuts both ways.
It's got nothing to do with Trolltech. It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the Novell people think " we can be a success too.. if we emulate Redhat.." and this is just wrong. They DO not understand what made SUSE have such a loyal fanbase. It wasn't emulating Redhat.. it was quality. And if that quality takes a nose dive.. I'm out. At least as far as my desktops and laptops in the office... my servers don't have X installed because a UI isn't need to admin a Linux box.. the day it is needed is the day I switch them all to X86 OS X. :)
-Ben
Well, I for one am not a happy camper. I was strolling thru the /. dot site when I stumbled on the news that Novell was going to GNOME as the default. Talk about a step backwards. The generic GNOME project has been a dismal example of a devel mono culture IMHO. And as on poster pointed out, the second you install a new app the dependencies go to to shit and it barfs all over the place. Ya, that's the ticket! I have installed kde with screwed up dependencies and it still runs. Sure Kong may crash or some such but it still loads. Gnome most of the time becomes so kludged at the slightest that it often takes a complete rebuild to fix the silly thing. Though as I type it occurs to me that this is a sure revenue source for all the service and support calls it will garner. On the other hand this sort of stunt only goes so far... What like they're M$ or something - a lock in Novell "ain't" got. But I digress! I do understand going to a single Desktop for support reasons, but KDE is sooooo much more mature than Gnome. Granted, the Ximian builds are generally the best of the lot Gnome has to offer. But as far as I'm concerned thats like saying my Ford Pinto has the 2000 cc engine instead of the 1600cc engine.... IT'S STILL A FORD PINTO. This was the fear I had when Novell bought SuSE. And it isn't as if this is a complete shock. I mean Novell did buy Ximian. But Mr Perens is qouted in eWeek as follows: "The latest KDE snub came last month, when open-source mover Bruce Perens announced that he'd chosen to exclude KDE in favor of GNOME from the forthcoming enterprise-aimed, community-led UserLinux distribution." Gotta love those Corporate power games.... For the love of the CIO! All I have to say is try taking Joe User and tell him to change the fonts in KDE, then tell him to change the fonts in Gnome. Which do think he'll have more success doing? Three guesses and the first two don't count! And if that isn't enough try setting up dual monitors in Gnome... Like I said it freaking PUKES all over the place. In KDE it took me 3 mouse clicks. I'd hate to put SuSE on the shelf, but it Novell goes the way of RH that's just where it's going. Curtis. :/ -- Spammers Beware: Tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Warning: Individuals throwing objects at the crocodiles will be asked to retrieve them!