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Re: [SLE] Gnome disappointment
- From: Allen <gorebofh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:55:52 +0000 (UTC)
- Message-id: <20051108210057.GA21752@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 08:19:09PM +0200, Andre Truter wrote:
> On 11/8/05, Steven T. Hatton <hattons@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 08 November 2005 03:25 am, devosc wrote:
> > > I dont really comment much, but I recently have had thoughts maybe related.
> > >
> > > In my opinion I would love to see Gnome as the default desktop, that
> > > said, but not with KDE installed also. I think I read awhile back that
> > > there is a difference in the languages used to build each, c/c++ ?
> > > dunno... but in my experience Gnome had always seemed to have a better
> > > response time as a desktop, mouse movements was what I noticed...
> >
> > Since I have absolutely no delays with the mouse using the KDE, I can't
> > compare that to anyting. As for the underlying language used, yes, the GNOME
> > is written in C, not C++. If anything, that means it will be slower if both
> > languages are utilized to their fullest reasonable extent.
>
> Umm.. How do you get that? It is rather the other way around. C++
> apps are generally slower.
> Why is the Linux kernel written in C? If C++ was faster, then would
> that not have made sense?
>
> The fact is actually that one cannot really say that the one language
> is faster than the other, becuase the speed all depends on the
> implementation and what you want to do.
A myth usually shown false with a little assembler.
>
> But that speed
> > different may not be significant when dealing with GUIs. I do believe it is
> > harder to write well structured applications in C.
>
> This is generally true, although I have started Linux GUI programming
> with KDE and then tried GNOME. It was easier to get going in KDE/Qt
> because it is in C++ and the API is quite good, but once I got my head
> wrapped around Gtk and GNOME, the Qt/KDE stuff felt like walking with
> lead shoes.
> The Gtk API is more difficult to use in the beginning, but it is more
> powerful and actually simpler.
>
> Fact is that both GNOME and KDE are good desktop solutions. The
> preference for the one over the other is a personal perception.
> I have tried KDE on many occations and I support clients that use KDE,
> but I can just not get used to KDE. I find it diffecult to use.
>
> But that is because I do things differently than other people. KDE is
> still a good desktop, even though I don't like it.
>
> And I ahve seen lots of people complain about dependency problems when
> installing GNOME. Funny thing is that I don't have any.
Install it from source. Why do you think Slackware dropped it?
> I love using GNOME. I don't like mono though, I would rather opt for
> Python, but that is personal preference.
> But, just because I like GNOME, does not mean that KDE is bad. And
> just because Novell might decide that they would default to GNOME on
> thier corporate products does not mean that KDE is doomed for SUSE.
>
> --
> Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282
> ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org
>
> ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~
>
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> On 11/8/05, Steven T. Hatton <hattons@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 08 November 2005 03:25 am, devosc wrote:
> > > I dont really comment much, but I recently have had thoughts maybe related.
> > >
> > > In my opinion I would love to see Gnome as the default desktop, that
> > > said, but not with KDE installed also. I think I read awhile back that
> > > there is a difference in the languages used to build each, c/c++ ?
> > > dunno... but in my experience Gnome had always seemed to have a better
> > > response time as a desktop, mouse movements was what I noticed...
> >
> > Since I have absolutely no delays with the mouse using the KDE, I can't
> > compare that to anyting. As for the underlying language used, yes, the GNOME
> > is written in C, not C++. If anything, that means it will be slower if both
> > languages are utilized to their fullest reasonable extent.
>
> Umm.. How do you get that? It is rather the other way around. C++
> apps are generally slower.
> Why is the Linux kernel written in C? If C++ was faster, then would
> that not have made sense?
>
> The fact is actually that one cannot really say that the one language
> is faster than the other, becuase the speed all depends on the
> implementation and what you want to do.
A myth usually shown false with a little assembler.
>
> But that speed
> > different may not be significant when dealing with GUIs. I do believe it is
> > harder to write well structured applications in C.
>
> This is generally true, although I have started Linux GUI programming
> with KDE and then tried GNOME. It was easier to get going in KDE/Qt
> because it is in C++ and the API is quite good, but once I got my head
> wrapped around Gtk and GNOME, the Qt/KDE stuff felt like walking with
> lead shoes.
> The Gtk API is more difficult to use in the beginning, but it is more
> powerful and actually simpler.
>
> Fact is that both GNOME and KDE are good desktop solutions. The
> preference for the one over the other is a personal perception.
> I have tried KDE on many occations and I support clients that use KDE,
> but I can just not get used to KDE. I find it diffecult to use.
>
> But that is because I do things differently than other people. KDE is
> still a good desktop, even though I don't like it.
>
> And I ahve seen lots of people complain about dependency problems when
> installing GNOME. Funny thing is that I don't have any.
Install it from source. Why do you think Slackware dropped it?
> I love using GNOME. I don't like mono though, I would rather opt for
> Python, but that is personal preference.
> But, just because I like GNOME, does not mean that KDE is bad. And
> just because Novell might decide that they would default to GNOME on
> thier corporate products does not mean that KDE is doomed for SUSE.
>
> --
> Andre Truter | Software Engineer | Registered Linux user #185282
> ICQ #40935899 | AIM: trusoftzaf | http://www.trusoft.za.org
>
> ~ A dinosaur is a salamander designed to Mil Spec ~
>
> --
> Check the headers for your unsubscription address
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>
>
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