On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 19:46 +0200, Andre Truter wrote:
On 11/17/05, Peter Van Lone
wrote: right .. it's called experience. 600 hours is only 15 weeks of experience. I don't have a problem with it, and did not complain. What I orginally said was "stop calling names of linux newbies that rely/use the GUI on a server to get work done"
Yes, I agree that calling newbies names for using a GUI is wrong. I have seen a number of newbies that start out with installing a GUI on a server, until I show them that it is not really needed. Now they run GUI stuff they need over ssh to thier workstations. :-)
I think one thing where MS damaged people is by instilling this idea that a good server should have a GUI. When I was still a Windows user, I used to think of UNIX as an old, outdated system, with a horrible user-interface. All mono-chrome.. That was until I actually saw a real live UNIX machine and worked on it. It opened my eyes. I was lucky, I suppose, that my first interaction with UNIX was from a Sun Sparcstation, running CDE, with telnet sessions to an HP development server. I never really used the Sun box for anything else, than it's X-server, so I could run Nedit (a graphical editor) on the HP box.
lists of people carping about "noobs that put a gui on a server" ... well, damn ... if it makes the transition and traslation to linux easier why, as a linux advocate, would you (not you personally) want to be so freaking hostile about it?
I don't have a problem with noobs putting a GUI on a server, I have a problem with experienced admins running a GUI on a server. (I did not mean to offend noobs, sorry)
Then why offend experienced admins that use a GUI to admin a machine? Not all configs are easily handled via the CLI and there are fewer possibilities of making errors using a well written GUI that uses syntax checking. I happen to use and like using webmin for doing a lot of my admin work, not all but enough. Actually makes it easier to admin postfix. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998