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Re: [opensuse] Routing Root's Mail to Another User
- From: Carl Hartung <suselinux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:21:30 -0400
- Message-id: <200510101221.30574.suselinux@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Monday 10 October 2005 12:09, houghi wrote:
> I think that is an even worse situation as we have now. I know for a fact
> that almost nobody reads what is on their screen and just click on next.
This is an unfounded assumption. People are forced to make choices in life all
the time. I'm not suggesting a 5,000 word EULA, but a few key bullet points
discussing the benefits and risks.
> It also does not solve the issue wether the default should be on or off
Yes it does. It eliminates the "default". There shouldn't *be* a default since
this decision clearly belongs to the enduser.
> and I hope you are not forcing people to choose or not be able to go on
> with the instalation.
Why not? You cannot proceed with the installation without accepting many other
choices, right?
> New people will be very worried wether they made the
> right choice or not
Not if the descriptions are well written. The enduser knows best the type of
environment the machine will be living in. That is why it's best to avoid a
"default". A "default" presumes to know which login arrangement best fits the
"majority" of cases (whatever that is).
> Also making a pro - contra list is not a very good way to do it, becasue
> people will just count the numbers of pro and contra and make a choice
> without weighing each item on importance.
Intelligently and thoughtfully prepared instructions can present the
information needed in a balanced, neutral manner.
> 1 item can be so importand that
> it overshadows all the rest
That is the judgment call you want the enduser to make.
> and unfortunatly the people for whom we make
> this choice will not have the experience to do this.
You are presuming too much. As Nordi has stated, anyone can easily recognize
the implications of bypassing a password and having the system boot directly
to the desktop. Don't unnecessarily "complexify" and protract this debate.
>
> People who do have the exprience do not need the explanation.
Precisely. But I suggest the people who do *not* have the experience also
deserve to be treated as adults and be given the opportunity to learn and
think for a few minutes about the decision.
- Carl
> I think that is an even worse situation as we have now. I know for a fact
> that almost nobody reads what is on their screen and just click on next.
This is an unfounded assumption. People are forced to make choices in life all
the time. I'm not suggesting a 5,000 word EULA, but a few key bullet points
discussing the benefits and risks.
> It also does not solve the issue wether the default should be on or off
Yes it does. It eliminates the "default". There shouldn't *be* a default since
this decision clearly belongs to the enduser.
> and I hope you are not forcing people to choose or not be able to go on
> with the instalation.
Why not? You cannot proceed with the installation without accepting many other
choices, right?
> New people will be very worried wether they made the
> right choice or not
Not if the descriptions are well written. The enduser knows best the type of
environment the machine will be living in. That is why it's best to avoid a
"default". A "default" presumes to know which login arrangement best fits the
"majority" of cases (whatever that is).
> Also making a pro - contra list is not a very good way to do it, becasue
> people will just count the numbers of pro and contra and make a choice
> without weighing each item on importance.
Intelligently and thoughtfully prepared instructions can present the
information needed in a balanced, neutral manner.
> 1 item can be so importand that
> it overshadows all the rest
That is the judgment call you want the enduser to make.
> and unfortunatly the people for whom we make
> this choice will not have the experience to do this.
You are presuming too much. As Nordi has stated, anyone can easily recognize
the implications of bypassing a password and having the system boot directly
to the desktop. Don't unnecessarily "complexify" and protract this debate.
>
> People who do have the exprience do not need the explanation.
Precisely. But I suggest the people who do *not* have the experience also
deserve to be treated as adults and be given the opportunity to learn and
think for a few minutes about the decision.
- Carl
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