Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (6210 mails)

[Allen <gorebofh@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 06:58:30PM +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> Allen wrote:
> >They are competing with Microsoft, they have to make it easy enough to use
> >that drooling idiots don't need to remember big scarey log ins and
> >passwords.
> >
> >It's a happy Medium, Root doesn't log in by default, and making users log
> >in, makes them write all of it down and stick it on the monitor anyway.
> >It's a trade off, you secure a computer to the best of your know hows and a
> >user just knocks that down with a pasty.
> >  

> Hey Allen,

Hallo
 
> I think it's more than frustrating to call everybody that's not a 
> computer expert a "drooling idiot". It's a fact that a *normal* home 
> user wants to turn on his computer and start to work, without thinking 
> about all the techniques behind a computer and what device in it makes 
> exactly has what function.

I didn't call everyone that wasn't an expert an idiot, I called "users" an
idiot. There is a difference, read some BOFH stories, you'll see what I
mean. All computer users aren't idiots, I meant the word user as in "user
class" the ones who don't care how it works and don't want to know at all
as long as their games work. My cousin for example, he doesn't install
Windows updates because it might use up his 120 GN HD that has hardly
ANYthing on it.



Of course the machine barely boots up now, but he doesn't care if broken
and how more than likely his personal information is on the web, he only
cares his games work. that's an idiot user. So please don't take what I
said the wrong way, I didn't call non experts idiots, just the ones making
the internet more and more insecure each day.

Internet is a community, and no community survives without SOMEONE caring.

> Isn't it possible for linuxers to accept that there are others around, 
> still impressed by the simpleness and stability of Linux? But they don't 
> know how to compile a kernel or how to install a program from sources... 
> in fact they probably don't know what a source is!

Again, I didn't say you had to know this to not be an idiot, read as I said
above.

 
> So as Linux is growing to the mass market, Linux pro's should start to 
> help them and not to call them *idiots*; otherwise tey'll tell everybody 

Heh, it's kind of funny, people are willing to spend thousands of dollars
on a machine they know nothing about (A Computer) and then more people make
millions exploiting these people by telling them "No it's OK you don't need
to learn all this computer science, you can just give money to me and I'll
fix it"... Who is the REAL asshole here, me or the people making money on
incompetence?


> So don't kill me for this sentence) and if they get no help, they'll 
> just fall back to Windows: the system they^ve been using for a long time 
> and the system with many so-called professionals around...
> 
> Sorry dewds! I just think a lot of wars could be avoided if we'd accept 
> that not everybody has the same knowledge and meaning about something!

And a lot of Wars wouldn't be started in the first place had someone not
taken something the wrong way.


-Allen
 
> Greetings,
> Dominique
> 
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