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Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test
- From: Uriel_Carrasquilla@xxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:39:05 -0400
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09/06/2005 01:07 Subject: Re: [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test
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> 09/06/2005 08:40 Subject: Re:
> [opensuse] 1 CD install ready to test AM
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# Hi Uriel,
# funny header...
It was not a complete header.
> Am Dienstag, 6. September 2005 12:36 schrieb Shriramana Sharma:
> > True. Single CD still has lots of attraction. Which is why I am
> > downloading Knoppix right now for my travels. If I get a SuSE
> > carry-with-you CD I will certainly have chosen that...
> #what about SuSE-Live-CD ?
> #-- mdc
> I have used both and Knoppix has some advantages:
> 1) if required, you can install it on your Hard-drive.
# Correct me, but as I remember there was also an option to install
# SuSE-Live-CD on the HD.
I have version 9, may be in a newer version you can install to HD.
> I run both
> Knoppix and Win/XP in my machine. When virus, disk, registry or
> other problems crop up, I fire up Knoppix on the machine and bingo.
> I don't even have to carry my CD.
# as far as I know, the MS bootloader isn't able to boot an image. So you
# still have to boot from CD, even if you supply a linux bootsector in a
# file unless you find a way to make grub or lilo booting a disk image.
# Even Knoppix can not boot an image, they boot an initrd and in this
# they mount their image via cloop. But if you use another bootloader
# like grub either, it doesn't matter if you boot SuSE or Knoppix.
Not the case, you can boot Knoppix in both, iso format (compressed) with
/boot files from HD or in full Debian format from HD. The machine I am
using to write this note is Lotus on XP with Knoppix as my second boot
using FAT32 in iso format. I don't even use any of the Unix file system.
I can manage all of my Windows files from Knoppix. I use lilo but have
tried and works with GAG. And yes, Knoppix uses initrd (mini Linux to boot
Knoppix). I have also tried with Grub successfully.
My point is still valid, Knoppix got a bunch of tools for managing my WinXP
machine when it gets into trouble. All I do, ask customer to reboot into
Knoppix and then I can take over with VNC or SSH.
> 2) Knoppix has a bunch of very neat tools for trouble shooting. I
> don't leave home without it to fix my SuSE systems when they run into
# I think, maintaining a SuSE system that went into trouble works better
# if you use the SuSE installation CDs to boot and repair.
Not an easy task when remote does not have the SuSE installation CD's.
The reason I am very excited about the 1_CD SuSE is because I can use it a
fall back system when my main SuSE system on a server gets in trouble. I
know I got a plan B that is not taking a lot of HD space.
> 3)SuSE-Live-CD is mostly a marketing CD, not really well
> thought out for the purpose of such tools as Knoppix is. Mind you,
> it is a good thing to have when you want to show someone what their
> machine would look like if SuSE was installed.
# I agree. A lot of usefull tools are missing on the Live-CD.
I hope someone is paying attention. Also, HD install to a bootable iso
will really go a long way.
> I am a believer that
> a 1_CD_Desktop from the SUPER initiative would go a long way.
# Maybe. Earlier in this thread they discuss whether to include
# OpenOffice. If this is the way, they want to go, I think it will indeed
# be only a desktop and no system rescue/maintaince disk.
Disagree, there should be a 1_CD for desktop, separate from a system one
(more like Knoppix).
> 4) By the way, I am a SuSE bigot and use it all over the place
> including our Mainframe. Knoppix is necessity.
# Hmm, SUSE has some big advantages that's right (have you ever tried to
# inject some pice of code in Herbert Xu's mkinitrd scripts in a Debian
# distro?) Knoppix is the right tool, if you have a pc runnning only
# windows, and you want to do some kind of network diagnosis, but not on
# a pc running SuSE.
I am on board and learning as fast as I my limited abilities go. Knoppix,
SuSE, etc are not ready for prime time desktop. Not because of technology
but because most customers insist on Windows. Training might be a factor.
I am not selling my Microsoft stock any time soon until the average user
starts demanding something different from Windows. Will it ever happen, of
course, but I will be my life that it won't take place in weeks to come.
May be in years to come. In the meantime, I get to play with different
# -- mdc
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