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Re: [opensuse] Ahain a new version of makeSUSEdvd
- From: "Andreas Girardet" <agirardet@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:00:38 -0600
- Message-id: <4316FB76.4906.0018.0@xxxxxxxxxx>
> A load balancer is pretty useless if you have noone to pay for N
> I guess you are more drunken than me at the moment.
Firstly I do not drink any alcohol and am "always" sober and I have
been so for years. The lucidity of my mind is more important to me than
some short term dubious "fun" associated with alcohol. Secondly load
balancers can be used to balance various sources distributed across the
net. We could have our current mirror system used for that, of course
all of the mirrors in the load balanced chain need to have the same
directory structure. I know of large sites that do exactly that and use
servers distributed around the world to distribute country specific
load. They have a farm of reverser proxies and load balancers to create
even load regardless of where you are. Maybe you are drunk, I am
certainly not ever. A company like M$ does exactly that, granted on
their own servers, but the same principle applies on servers that are
not in the same data center.
>> The issue is that if the main rsync server get's hit hard no one
>> mirror. This needs to be adressed.
> I DID address that, I guess.
>> A 1 CD installer as I did it solves issues also, since that is all
>> users need. Single addon packages can be installed seperately
> Not enough; we need "more discipline" from the distributors.
> You know, my problem is the actual situation and not a future dream.
sure as I said I can sympathize and there is a short term solution:
1.) Have all mirrors rsync of a suse.com site. This site is not
available to the general public and does only rsync
2.) Have servers rsync, make sure iso's are mirrored first and the
3.) Announce as soon as at least the iso's are available
4.) Allow the 1 cd install to be put on that system, or create an
Medium term I would suggest to use Net technology for the purpose it
has been invented for. Balance load. F5 BigIP is a good example of
excellent working systems.
>>> All 10.0 betas were too large for my RAM, and even with the trick
>>> redirect all http://download.opensuse.org/*i386*iso requests to
>>> ftp.gwdg.de for getting tight enough buffer cache hits so that
>>> isos never expired did not reach the 9.3 numbers.
>> the issue is that mirrors could not update from the main site in a
>> reasonable time and that therefore everyone hit the main site. A
>> that bites his own tail.
> No, a SUSE dog that bites the GWDG tail.
>>> Tomorrow 10 am is the next beta release time, but I bet none of
>>> mirrors will be ready at that time...
>> Correct. That is the issue and not that 9.3 was the last Net
>> distribution. What an absurd statement. The last .. yeah right!
> Come on, boy, I see the behaviour of all the Linux distributors day
> SUSE is still more "disciplined" than Debian (hazardous childs - 60
> once!) and MandrXXX, but IT IS ALREADY TOO MUCH, with a tendency to
> if they do not wake up.
> In fact it is TOO LATE to not have bad issues.
> Maybe you understand this. If not, you will experience it.
> No. The "hype" is far beyond 9.3 yet. But the situation is much more
> DUE TO THE IDIOTIC DISTRIBUTION SIZE!
> Crazy! Far too big! Who can stand that, tell me or shut down!
hmmm .. I do agree that distro's are large, but this is just the nature
of the beast. It is like complaining that air is so damn breathable. Why
could it not stop to be breathable for a few seconds ..... damit. ;)
Given how we pollute it might actually happen ....
1 CD iso's are the way to go, but certainly only alleviate the issue,
since with more people 1 iso is still going to kill your server unless
the above steps are not done.
> Totally without help, your whole statement.
> More worse than that: I feel misunderstood.
> Best would be I would panic my kernel and reboot not before
Well maybe you should not be drunk when writing such email and you
would be better understood ;)
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