On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
Hi,
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 14:51, Jon Nelson wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 14:06, Jon Nelson wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2003/10/thallma_you_oldpatches.html
Yeah, that sounds like it, but here are some points:
1. if you can't upgrade a running system (Debian can, most others can) without BOOTING FROM THE CD or DVD, then why does YaST have the option available?
You can add other installation sources that provide newer (but non-core) packages like
ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/supplementary/KDE/update_for_9.3/yast-source
And than use this YaST2 module to update all available packages.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the "System Upgrade" option/component of YaST. It's sole purpose is to upgrade the entire system (say, from 9.2 to 9.3), and despite no warnings or problems encountered along the way, apparently, it doesn't /quite/ work.
That's the one I meant.
I know it is confusing and many people belive that this module is meant to do an update of the running system from one release to the next, but it is not.
Did you read the manual? It's chapter 2.3.4 "System Update" (SUSE Linux 9.2) in the big Admin manual.
What /is/ it there for, then, anyway? I don't have any manuals handy,
and I sure as hell don't carry them around with me. Saying "Read the
Manual" is, quite frankly, about the lamest response I've heard in a
long time.
It's not relevant whether I've read the manual or not. That's like
saying a button in your car labeled "Heat" doesn't really produce heat
but just redirects exhaust into the cabin. Yeah, you might get warm,
but there are unintended side effects. Is it a labeling issue? Should
the option even /be/ there? SuSE's inability to upgrade a running
system is a very serious shortcoming, and apparently one dictated not by
technical feasability. Honestly I'm rather disappointed with that
aspect of SuSE. They cannot and will not gain meaningful market share if
they can't improve installation and upgrades, an issue which has been a
problem for SuSE for as long as I can remember! IMO Debian has, far and
away, the best upgrade mechanism available - at one point I had upgraded
seemlessly (all while "online" I might add) an installation whose
initial install dated back 3 major versions!
Furthermore, the fact that I'm not the only one that has hit upon this
problem suggests that it /is/ a problem. Saying "did you read the
manual" is a total cop-out.
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