I'm perplexed over the output of who versus w. who displays 8 'users', two of which I know for sure are not logged on the box. ( the last two entries ). helphand :0 2005-06-18 10:36 (console) root tty1 2005-06-11 21:11 helphand pts/0 2005-06-18 10:36 helphand pts/2 2005-06-18 10:36 helphand pts/1 2005-06-18 10:36 helphand pts/4 2005-06-18 16:19 dirtkid pts/6 2005-06-18 19:12 dirtkid pts/7 2005-06-18 19:15 w displays 6 'users', yet the count on the first line agrees with 'who', it says 8 users. helphand@helphand:~> w 23:17:49 up 9 days, 5:12, 8 users, load average: 0.04, 0.10, 0.09 USER TTY LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT helphand :0 10:36 ?xdm? 1:18m 0.07s /bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/kde root tty1 11Jun05 7days 0.13s 0.13s -bash helphand pts/0 10:36 12:41m 0.00s 27.23s kded [kdeinit] kded helphand pts/2 10:36 11:19m 0.66s 0.11s /bin/bash helphand pts/1 10:36 2:58m 0.21s 0.09s /bin/bash helphand pts/4 16:19 0.00s 0.29s 0.00s w helphand@helphand:~> A ps shows no processes running under the 'user' that lists in who; helphand@helphand:~> ps -ef | grep dirtkid helphand 10752 23285 0 23:18 pts/4 00:00:00 grep dirtkid So, why aren't these utilities consistent and why does 'who' see users as logged in when they are not? SuSE 9.3 64 bit. Scott -- POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-21.7-default x86_64