Re: [SLE] SuSE 9.2 not quite fully cooked?

Sounds damned good though, thanks! Martin -- Martin Deppe Bramfelder Chaussee 30 c D-22177 Hamburg Tel: +49-(0)40-69 21 38 99 Handy: +49-(0)171-94 778 59 Fax: +49-(0)40-2549 1651 E-Mail: Martin.Deppe@web.de David Rankin wrote:

Unfortunately,

This is the normal side effect, growing pains, whatever you want to call it..., of applying the corporate model to an open source project. I have lived the very painful experience of the Mandrake transition which is what led to my latest server running Suse. Hopefully, Suse will take note of the Mandrake experience and of all the former Mandrake users on this list to avoid the same alienation of its base.

The sole culprit is usually the race to release version (number next) for $ reasons. That inevitably leads to versions released before they are ready, containing small, but crippling bugs that causes newbies to just give up. To Mandrake's credit, things are getting better. But the days of mdk 8.1, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2 and 10 were dark days indeed with candid comments from long time user of "better wait for the next release before considering applying the latest release to a production machine." Suse would do well to avoid this reputation.

As far as Suse is concerned, the 9.2 release in the midst of the Novell transition -- the jury is still out. The 2.6.8 kernel itself posed challenges for this release that, granted, a little additional time would have helped smooth out. But, all in all, I think the true litmus test will be how we do with Suse's release number next. When Novell bought word perfect, the 6.0 release was terrible and everyone howled. But the 6.1 release was a thing of beauty. So I remain cautiously optimistic.

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Hi Peter and all,

I have been experiencing similar things and even didn't get any response so far when trying to get support from novell. I couldn't even start 2 of 3 systems with neither the CD or DVD. Well I didn't have the time to get into that yet. Maybe later.

Regards Martin

Peter Nixon wrote:

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Hi Guys

Is it just me, or is SuSE 9.2 not quite fully cooked?

So far, SuSE 9.2 Pro has failed to upgrade (Yast2 cannot mount the root partition) 2 of the 4 systems I have attempted to upgrade (from 9.1 pro).

FreeRADIUS has a broken init script which causes it not do ANYTHING unless you delete 3 lines. Postgresql doesn't come on the CD set, only on the DVD. This is a major PITA for me as I install Postgres on 80% of the servers I setup, and so far I have NEVER seen a server with a DVD drive. Cyrus IMAP is broken. (An update fixes this though)

Many -devel packages are missing from the CD set that have the non -devel packages. This means that again the DVD is required.

So far I only have SuSE 9.2 on 6 machines, so I at this rate I am sure I will bump into other issues. (I have installed around 30 SuSE 9.1 systems in the last 6 months...)

Novell/SuSE, please take more care with 9.3 as this is NOT the level of quality I have come to expect from SuSE. I have been using SuSE Linux since version 6.0 and until now, every version has been better, more stable and with less bugs. Please don't reverse this!!!

On a positive note, some of the extra packages in 9.2 make life easier when roaming between networks with my notebook (the SCPM profile switched on the toolbar in particular). Having 64bit binaries on the DVD along with 32bit is also a nice touch. Our first test of SuSE 9.2 on Athlon64 went painlessly.

Asterisk, ifplugd, and a bunch of other nice/usefull/interesting packages are also nice inclusions that make SuSE 9.2 worth the purchase and won't be sending me to any competitors anytime soon, but the initial problems I have met so far were not a good first impression.

Regards

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