Hi Re Send after upgrade to KDE 3.3 just over a week ago i asked on the group how to solve this somewhat strange problem i have with the keyboard . The complete system is setup for English GB keyboard and all works well unless i reboot the system then when i try using the " or ' chars ie Shift+2 or just ' they do not work i have to hit the key twice to get the chars to get the char on display , I can solve it by going into yast system keyboard and accepting the settings but i would like to have it done once and not have to repeat it every time i have to reboot the box not too many times but still Thanks ... Pete -- Linux user No: 256242 Machine No: 139931 G6NJR Pete also MSA registered "Quinton 11" A Linux Only area Happy bug hunting M$ clan PGN