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Re: [SLE] The trouble converting from win to suse is the names
- From: Johan Nielsen <yep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:24:23 +0200
- Message-id: <200408271824.23391.yep@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Fredag den 27. august 2004 17:18 skrev Danny Sauer:
> Johan wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] The trouble converting from win to suse is the names' on Thu, Aug 26 at 17:34:
> > Torsdag den 26. august 2004 23:16 skrev Danny Sauer:
> > > Johan wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] The trouble converting from win to suse is
> > the names' on Thu, Aug 26 at 16:00:
> > > > Torsdag den 26. august 2004 20:34 skrev Danny Sauer:
> > > > > The problem with a FAQ is the same as the problem with freshmeat.net,
> > > > > and with all of the other resources (like the docs found at ldp.org).
> > > > > Newbies don't know that they exist, so they don't find them. I
> [...]
> > > > I disagree partly.
> [...]
> > > What part do you disagree with?
> > >
> > They do know that the info is "around" on the net and install-media, but
> > learning takes some effort besides ensuring enough oxygen to stay alive.
> >
> > Many times things (Howto's/information about linux) get a little to "nerdy".
> > 2'ndly a lot misinterprete the community and 3'rdly some even missuse the
> > nice people in the community (other linuxusers and SuSE from time to
> > time .... but that's another story).
>
> So, learning should be effortless?
Nope - did I Imply say that
> That'd be great, but what precendent
> are we in the community to follow? Can you cite a resource for some other
> operating system that goes beyond the initial desktop, but is not nerdy
> or otherwise hard to follow?
Aquiring knowledge always has a learningcurve - the one for linux is just more steep.
> Granted, I'm a big ol' geek, but I've never
> seen a system that has more documentation than Linux. I've run a lot of
> systems (there's a machine in my basement running each of NeXT Step, Mac
> OS 7.6, Windows 98, Windows 2000, SuSE, RedHat, Slackware, NetBSD, SunOS,
> and BeOS right now - and I've played with countless others), but none are
> nearly as well documented as Linux. Unfortunately, one does have to look
> for the docs, but SuSE - for example - comes with a few big friggin' books
> when you buy the boxed distro.
Yes I know - been on the SuSE drug since ver. 6. And they're always missing
some description of some of their own stuff (EX. REPAIR OPTION from boot-media).
> Those books answer pretty much every
> question a home user will find, and most questions a network admin will
> come up with. Most of the more complicated questions can probably be
> handled by the tech support included with purchase (ever call Microsoft?
> it's an awful experience, from what I've heard) or by using supported
> hardware.
>
he he ... call MS .... never so seems I saved a lot of trouble there.
> I dunno. It seems to me that most people's usability complaints boil down
> to "this isn't just like windows".
Well not for me.
> It all comes back to Anders' comment
> when he said that people need to realize that KDE, for example, is gonna
> be different than other systems. Then they have to learn how to get around,
> which is pretty easy if they do what "seems right" instead of what "seems
> like windows".
>
I don't mind that things change if it's going "forward"
(don't ask me what forward is ;-) ).
> I agree that it'd be nice to have information collected a little more
> cohesively, but really all anyone needs is the included docs (in PDF on
That was my point ( know I my eyes was small and head heavy when
I composed my former reply).
> the FTP version, IIRC), google, and this list. Oh, and some patience +
> willingness to learn a *new* system. IMHO, of course, and it does happen
> that I'm wrong sometimes. Probably not this time, though. :)
>
Happens to all of us.
> --Danny, staying on-list in the hopes that someone will find a learning
> "magic bullet" and post that for all to enjoy ;)
>
> Johan wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] The trouble converting from win to suse is the names' on Thu, Aug 26 at 17:34:
> > Torsdag den 26. august 2004 23:16 skrev Danny Sauer:
> > > Johan wrote regarding 'Re: [SLE] The trouble converting from win to suse is
> > the names' on Thu, Aug 26 at 16:00:
> > > > Torsdag den 26. august 2004 20:34 skrev Danny Sauer:
> > > > > The problem with a FAQ is the same as the problem with freshmeat.net,
> > > > > and with all of the other resources (like the docs found at ldp.org).
> > > > > Newbies don't know that they exist, so they don't find them. I
> [...]
> > > > I disagree partly.
> [...]
> > > What part do you disagree with?
> > >
> > They do know that the info is "around" on the net and install-media, but
> > learning takes some effort besides ensuring enough oxygen to stay alive.
> >
> > Many times things (Howto's/information about linux) get a little to "nerdy".
> > 2'ndly a lot misinterprete the community and 3'rdly some even missuse the
> > nice people in the community (other linuxusers and SuSE from time to
> > time .... but that's another story).
>
> So, learning should be effortless?
Nope - did I Imply say that
> That'd be great, but what precendent
> are we in the community to follow? Can you cite a resource for some other
> operating system that goes beyond the initial desktop, but is not nerdy
> or otherwise hard to follow?
Aquiring knowledge always has a learningcurve - the one for linux is just more steep.
> Granted, I'm a big ol' geek, but I've never
> seen a system that has more documentation than Linux. I've run a lot of
> systems (there's a machine in my basement running each of NeXT Step, Mac
> OS 7.6, Windows 98, Windows 2000, SuSE, RedHat, Slackware, NetBSD, SunOS,
> and BeOS right now - and I've played with countless others), but none are
> nearly as well documented as Linux. Unfortunately, one does have to look
> for the docs, but SuSE - for example - comes with a few big friggin' books
> when you buy the boxed distro.
Yes I know - been on the SuSE drug since ver. 6. And they're always missing
some description of some of their own stuff (EX. REPAIR OPTION from boot-media).
> Those books answer pretty much every
> question a home user will find, and most questions a network admin will
> come up with. Most of the more complicated questions can probably be
> handled by the tech support included with purchase (ever call Microsoft?
> it's an awful experience, from what I've heard) or by using supported
> hardware.
>
he he ... call MS .... never so seems I saved a lot of trouble there.
> I dunno. It seems to me that most people's usability complaints boil down
> to "this isn't just like windows".
Well not for me.
> It all comes back to Anders' comment
> when he said that people need to realize that KDE, for example, is gonna
> be different than other systems. Then they have to learn how to get around,
> which is pretty easy if they do what "seems right" instead of what "seems
> like windows".
>
I don't mind that things change if it's going "forward"
(don't ask me what forward is ;-) ).
> I agree that it'd be nice to have information collected a little more
> cohesively, but really all anyone needs is the included docs (in PDF on
That was my point ( know I my eyes was small and head heavy when
I composed my former reply).
> the FTP version, IIRC), google, and this list. Oh, and some patience +
> willingness to learn a *new* system. IMHO, of course, and it does happen
> that I'm wrong sometimes. Probably not this time, though. :)
>
Happens to all of us.
> --Danny, staying on-list in the hopes that someone will find a learning
> "magic bullet" and post that for all to enjoy ;)
>
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