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Re: [SLE] Again: can't write to floppy
- From: Fergus Wilde <fwilde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:11:17 +0100
- Message-id: <200407020911.17814.fwilde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Friday 02 July 2004 03:43, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [07-01-04 20:49]:
> > On Thursday 01 July 2004 19:38, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > Post the line in /etc/fstab for your floppy drive and 'ls -la' for the
> > > mount point (the directory where you would access the floppy).
> > >
> > > one step at a time....
> >
> > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy subfs
> > fs=floppyfss,users,procuid,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0
> >
> > Here's the ls -la from the root:
> >
> > linux:~ # cd /media/floppy
> > linux:/media/floppy # ls -la
> > total 7
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 7168 Dec 31 1969 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 128 Apr 6 12:04 ..
> > linux:/media/floppy #
> >
> >
> > This is with a formatted floppy in the drive, with no programs on it.
> > The format is vfat.
>
> note: I have not installed 9.1, using 9.0, and am not familiar with
> subfs.
This may make a difference to your expectations - subfs just isn't right yet,
though I would not wish to be nasty about it as it will obviously be a Good
Thing when it is finished - but be assured, mounting and unmounting floppies,
zip disks, etc, has just been made a lot more uncertain and tricky than it
was in versions <=9.0, when it was possible to give sound, consistent advice
on these issues that would work everywhere.
At my end, I've been trying to use two zip drives, one IDE, one parallel, both
used to set up beautifully for generations of SuSE and now both are quite
****ed up. The 'eject' command no longer works, you are left casting about
to set the devices up yourself, and it is fairly crap. I have only been
able to eject the zip disk by booting the 8.2 installation that I'm
increasingly glad I left on this machine. At least it can talk to the scanner
via xsane without moaning about some spoof I/O problem that 9.1 has dreamed
up.
I was also trying to help someone work with a floppy yesterday, and although I
was finally able to get the thing unmounted via a root shell, further
floppies would not mount when inserted. So whatever subfs / the SuSE install
think they're doing, they're not doing it in a way I've found at all easy to
understand.
I bought the pro update, as usual. The admin guide index has no entry under
subfs, floppy, diskette, nor any entry for subfs under the 'file systems'
part of the index. The one thing the admin manual needs if there are major
changes to the most basic of operations like removable media handling is to
provide a chapter detailing the major changes.
>
> ok, do: mount /media/floppy
> ls -la /media
>
> and post the results.
>
> > Well, I finally managed to get something on to the floppy. I hope I
> > can remember how to do it again. I did su -
> > put in my password
> > and then
> >
> > linux:/home/doug # cp 10GHz_amps.txt /media/floppy
> > linux:/home/doug # cd /media/floppy
> > linux:/media/floppy # ls
> > . .. 10GHz_amps.txt
> > linux:/media/floppy #
> >
> > But this does not seem to be the way a windowed system should work.
>
> How should a "windowed" system work?
> > I should be able to drag and drop a file to the floppy, but I have
> > never been able to in this version. (Don't know if I could have done
> > so in earlier versions, since I would usually do something like this in
> > the first place. Altho I didn't have to mount the floppy--or umount
> > it.)
>
> the command 'mount' will tell you what devices are mounted and will
> accept files. If the device (floppy) is mounted, you should be able
> to access it, read and write and execute programs, provided you have
> permission. Under the previous file system, permissions changed after
> mount. ie:
>
> before mounting, ls -la /media
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2003-09-23 13:02 floppy/
>
> after mounting,
> drwxr-xr-x 2 pat users 7168 1969-12-31 19:00 floppy/
>
> notice the different owner:group, pat:users
>
> > The file is readable in Windows, so I guess this is usable, even if
> > somewhat clumsy. (The reason I need to read it in Windows is that WP 8
> > for Linux can't seem to read a file emailed from a WP converter on a
> > MAC, and the whole Linux machine locks up tight as a drum when I try.)
>
> did you try AbiWord?
>
> > Would it help if I get rid of subfs and substitute auto? I hate to
> > fool with config files, because you never know if you can get back
> > again, especially since I don't know what subfs is or why. I think it
> > is an auto-mounter, but I have had trouble unmounting and ejecting CD
> > and DVD disks.
>
> You *need* to RTFM. Use the books you rec'd with your system disks.
> The books from SuSE are the best available with *any* operating system
> distro that I know of. You *must* understand the system to use it.
>
>
> Drag and drop is available in many graphical linux apps now. I have
> used it several times, but I prefer cl, as that is the way it was and
> the way I taught myself. (and FTMP, faster with more control)
>
> Stop and think.... Harping about how you *think* it should be does not
> help you understand. It only frustrates you.
>
> btw, what did you do with the distro's you purchased since the "mid
> 90's"?
> --
> Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535
> http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org
> HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
--
Fergus Wilde
Chetham's Library
Long Millgate
Manchester
M3 1SB
Tel: +44 161 834 7961
Fax: +44 161 839 5797
http://www.chethams.org.uk
> * Doug McGarrett <dmcgarrett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [07-01-04 20:49]:
> > On Thursday 01 July 2004 19:38, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > > Post the line in /etc/fstab for your floppy drive and 'ls -la' for the
> > > mount point (the directory where you would access the floppy).
> > >
> > > one step at a time....
> >
> > /dev/fd0 /media/floppy subfs
> > fs=floppyfss,users,procuid,nodev,nosuid,sync 0 0
> >
> > Here's the ls -la from the root:
> >
> > linux:~ # cd /media/floppy
> > linux:/media/floppy # ls -la
> > total 7
> > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 7168 Dec 31 1969 .
> > drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 128 Apr 6 12:04 ..
> > linux:/media/floppy #
> >
> >
> > This is with a formatted floppy in the drive, with no programs on it.
> > The format is vfat.
>
> note: I have not installed 9.1, using 9.0, and am not familiar with
> subfs.
This may make a difference to your expectations - subfs just isn't right yet,
though I would not wish to be nasty about it as it will obviously be a Good
Thing when it is finished - but be assured, mounting and unmounting floppies,
zip disks, etc, has just been made a lot more uncertain and tricky than it
was in versions <=9.0, when it was possible to give sound, consistent advice
on these issues that would work everywhere.
At my end, I've been trying to use two zip drives, one IDE, one parallel, both
used to set up beautifully for generations of SuSE and now both are quite
****ed up. The 'eject' command no longer works, you are left casting about
to set the devices up yourself, and it is fairly crap. I have only been
able to eject the zip disk by booting the 8.2 installation that I'm
increasingly glad I left on this machine. At least it can talk to the scanner
via xsane without moaning about some spoof I/O problem that 9.1 has dreamed
up.
I was also trying to help someone work with a floppy yesterday, and although I
was finally able to get the thing unmounted via a root shell, further
floppies would not mount when inserted. So whatever subfs / the SuSE install
think they're doing, they're not doing it in a way I've found at all easy to
understand.
I bought the pro update, as usual. The admin guide index has no entry under
subfs, floppy, diskette, nor any entry for subfs under the 'file systems'
part of the index. The one thing the admin manual needs if there are major
changes to the most basic of operations like removable media handling is to
provide a chapter detailing the major changes.
>
> ok, do: mount /media/floppy
> ls -la /media
>
> and post the results.
>
> > Well, I finally managed to get something on to the floppy. I hope I
> > can remember how to do it again. I did su -
> > put in my password
> > and then
> >
> > linux:/home/doug # cp 10GHz_amps.txt /media/floppy
> > linux:/home/doug # cd /media/floppy
> > linux:/media/floppy # ls
> > . .. 10GHz_amps.txt
> > linux:/media/floppy #
> >
> > But this does not seem to be the way a windowed system should work.
>
> How should a "windowed" system work?
> > I should be able to drag and drop a file to the floppy, but I have
> > never been able to in this version. (Don't know if I could have done
> > so in earlier versions, since I would usually do something like this in
> > the first place. Altho I didn't have to mount the floppy--or umount
> > it.)
>
> the command 'mount' will tell you what devices are mounted and will
> accept files. If the device (floppy) is mounted, you should be able
> to access it, read and write and execute programs, provided you have
> permission. Under the previous file system, permissions changed after
> mount. ie:
>
> before mounting, ls -la /media
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2003-09-23 13:02 floppy/
>
> after mounting,
> drwxr-xr-x 2 pat users 7168 1969-12-31 19:00 floppy/
>
> notice the different owner:group, pat:users
>
> > The file is readable in Windows, so I guess this is usable, even if
> > somewhat clumsy. (The reason I need to read it in Windows is that WP 8
> > for Linux can't seem to read a file emailed from a WP converter on a
> > MAC, and the whole Linux machine locks up tight as a drum when I try.)
>
> did you try AbiWord?
>
> > Would it help if I get rid of subfs and substitute auto? I hate to
> > fool with config files, because you never know if you can get back
> > again, especially since I don't know what subfs is or why. I think it
> > is an auto-mounter, but I have had trouble unmounting and ejecting CD
> > and DVD disks.
>
> You *need* to RTFM. Use the books you rec'd with your system disks.
> The books from SuSE are the best available with *any* operating system
> distro that I know of. You *must* understand the system to use it.
>
>
> Drag and drop is available in many graphical linux apps now. I have
> used it several times, but I prefer cl, as that is the way it was and
> the way I taught myself. (and FTMP, faster with more control)
>
> Stop and think.... Harping about how you *think* it should be does not
> help you understand. It only frustrates you.
>
> btw, what did you do with the distro's you purchased since the "mid
> 90's"?
> --
> Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535
> http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org
> HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
--
Fergus Wilde
Chetham's Library
Long Millgate
Manchester
M3 1SB
Tel: +44 161 834 7961
Fax: +44 161 839 5797
http://www.chethams.org.uk
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