** You suposed to say CUT! You not suposed to just watching watching . - Jackie Chan Shanghai Knights out takes ** I Did have it Saturday when I did a clean install on this box, the update exhisting system was fine, except for all this stuff left all over the place I was never certain was safe to get rid of.. ( heavy sigh ) BUt now I can't find packman's site, and google just gave me gigerish, well that and about ten pages of repeats.. even w/ the url: prefix I got urls of people using any of the words individually , using quotes around the search terms didn't help either, that tended to result in a much shorter list and the suggestion I go buy any url in any combination of the search terms. Not very helpful.. I've been pulling cable , and cleaning up a system so long now both shoulders are lactose intolerant (G) okay it's a stupid joke.. but actually that is strictly the dificulty, builtup lactic acid around the nerves in muscle tissue .. I don't recomend it much unless perhaps you have one of the $15,000 "human touch" (TM )? Japanese "easy chairs" ... So pretty please, someone take pity on me and just tell me the url for packman's site... TIA gang.. BTW , have you in the Great European states noticed how the Karmic wheel is gathering momentum on it's roll thru the MS empire... I'm not leaving out the gang here, but it even,makes the news on occassion nowadays.. Who knew? Being rude and nasty to ones customers can erode your base faster than a politition can lose their's .. Poetic justice. OD Karma, I guess which ever one is easier to accept conceptually.. -- j nemo me impune lacessit it's just an afterthought; okay ? : Hello, I am part number ³ºÞº³º³Û³ºÝ³ºÝ³³