Well, I finally managed to connect to a server and upgrade to 3.2. What an experience. After it was done I logged out & tried to restart KDE. It locked up the machine so bad I had to power it off and back on again. Once it restarted and I started KDE, what a mess. The panel had a gear icon for YAST, the control center icon, four clocks, and the lock/logout icons. That's it. No start button etc. Whenever I make a change to the panel in the control center, nothing works. I can stuff by right-clicking on the panel and choosing "Add", but it should work from the control center. Most annoying is that it won't show my various desktops. Anyone know how to get the panel to show desktops? I've tried through the control center, but they never show up??? TIA, Mike ------------------------------- Cleary_Mike@emc.com ------------------------------- A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse.