I just noticed a couple more posts (the ones about gaim and kbear) that suggest people are having a lot of trouble with KDE 3.2. For myself, it still is giving me big problems, most noticeably the fact that the desktops don't show up on the panel (the bar across the bottom of the screen). And my attempts to install it by several methods have been only partly successful. The problems have included but not been limited to dependency failures that I have few clues for resolving. If someone asked me at this point if they should install KDE 3.2, I'd say no. Whatever improvements it may provide are not worth the hassle of the installation problems. Unless you're one of those folks that likes living on the bleeding edge, of course. Paul Abrahams