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Re: [SLE] Goodbye SuSE :-(
- From: Sid Boyce <sboyce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 14:14:54 +0100
- Message-id: <3F6B014E.2090604@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Sid Boyce (sboyce@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) [030918 22:52]:
So a two hour turn around on OpenSSH wasn't good enough? I can say your
never going to get the blood red bleeding edge stuff out of SuSE..it
just won't happen. SuSE just isn't into that sort of thing. This would
be why they patched OpenSSH 3.5p1 instead of just making 3.7.1p1
packages and letting the chips fall where they may. They know that
things break and that us long time SLE'ers get REALLY pissed off when
1000's of emails come through with blah, blah and blah is broken. So
they do try to keep that to a minimum. Thank God.
Fine if you are just using your box as an appliance, but if you want to make use of quite a few updated and special applications, then things
can go totally doolally
Well, I can say categorically that I don't use my computer as an
appliance since I regularly play Quake3Arena, UT and other games. I use
it for Office related tasks (swriter, scalc..etc) and for quite a few
other tasks but I also know that upgrading without testing is a foolish
road to go down. SuSE has a policy of not breaking dependencies..so if
say something like a new version of OpenSSL comes out because a bug or
exploit was found then they will patch the existing version rather then
introduce that unknown into the equation and have to recompiled things
such as ALL of the KDE components that depend on ssl support among other
things. Some of us use our computers for work and have no time to play
around fixing this or that or some other thing because one block in the
pyramid has been changed to make the whole thing unstable.
And again, if you "feel the need to bleed" compile it yourself or go to
one of the MANY sites that have SuSE packages or contact me off list if
you can't make it work and I'll give you my rate for RTFMing the INSTALL
files and knowing how things work so that I can get a pkg built.
Just do what I do..compile the src yourself and make rpm's. :)
Try doing that to scribus-1.1.0, it runs, but doesn't allow you to type anything alpha or numeric into a text box.
I was mainly venting things I hope SuSE should get a grip on and I did say 8.2 was a vast improvement on earlier releases as far as currency of the software and I hope it wasn't a one off exercise. Mandrake and debian also had similar complaints.
Well, I'm sorry that you couldn't build Scribus. And I'm sorry it didn't
let you type anything. I went looking at their site and I found "Latest
Developers Release: 1.1.0". So your complaining that an unstable
development version wouldn't behave correctly. Don't be silly and don't
complain about something that's marked unstable and for developers. If
your not testing it and reporting bugs or not working on it code wise
then this should be a hint it's not for end users and might not behave
all that well. I don't bitch when an unstable release screws up. I'm
using a nightly from a few days ago of Firebird and ya know what
..earlier today it didn't like some PHP on a page..it grabbed all the
RAM and all the swap an locked the machine up tight as a drum. Did I
complain..a little...but I didn't get that upset that I had to hit the
power button. After all it was a "nightly, unstable release" an thems
The last changelog entry for Scribus BTW is 06.09.2003 so the 1.1.0
tarball of source would probably be from this date or around it. If you
want to truly get involved then pull from CVS ..the bugs that afflicted
your build may have been cured. Just as the build I was using of
Firebird that was built on Mozilla 1.5a had many things fixed in the nightly
from 09/17 which is build on Mozilla 1.5b.
I don't quit that easily, needless to say, it compiles and works flawlessly on Mandrake 91 as it does on my SuSE 8.2 PIII 700 laptop. Version 1.0.1 from Lenz site allows numerics and special characters only. A friend has the SuSE 8.2 CD version running fine, but it doesn't here. We've found that we can install a SuSE distro on his machine and mine, then we'll have different problems - he has a PIII and I an Athlon, both with GEForce 4 cards, could be how the hardware handles things.
You have to understand that I don't say the things I say to make you runI do use usr-local-bin etc., but they have gaps also, I don't see FlightGear 0.9.2 up anywhere. I reckon all software is unstable, that's why new releases are issued. There have been issues with kernels, apps, etc., NVidia-4496 e.g though there is an update HOWTO supplied on the SuSE site, gcc. More often than not the bugs in earlier software are fixed satisfactorily - that's why 8.2 has been a significant improvement over other releases.
screaming away from SuSE, but to warn you that the SuSE/German mentality
seems to be stability first..feature second. A lot of us long time SuSE
users like this and are very use to it. If you want newer versions of
packages that SuSE hasn't felt the need to upgrade then you can visit
such sites as packman's, usr-local-bin or funktronics. These sites have
new builds and "version numbers" then some of the SuSE software. You
could even just grab apt and add these directories to your sources.list
and you'll get the updates automatically when you run the "update then
upgrade". What I've said is quite simply how it is and SuSE isn't going
to change to supporting unstable developer releases...they simply don't
have the resources to do it nor do they want to do it.
We need to air perceived shortcomings in the hope that our beloved distro will improve, better than keeping quiet until it boils over and be met by "NOBODY EVER SAID".
Request granted. Hmmmmmmmmm... some say indentation helps.
And one small request. Please do not CC me. I've been on this list for
about 5.5 years and if you send to the list. I'm dead positive I'll get
it. An one more thing..when you indent your paragraphs like that..it
makes it awfully hard to read..it's not needed.
Sid.... Long time SuSE user by choice.
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