Yeah, I know it's a wide stretch there, but there are two different projects going on, one would be a "kiddie" semi solution and the other would be a more "grown up solution.. <g> I need to be able to setup video transfer form analog ( old tape) .. editing is easy enough, The kiddie solution will be analog ( hi 8 tapes) until the price for digital stuff drops into kiddie range.. I mean, it's a bit pricey still , to find, perhaps in the fish bowl or terrarium , or the dogs dinner dish, or his bed , for that matter.. Cinelera looks pretty spiffy for serious work ... confusing to start , perhaps but ultimate usefulness should be worth the time... I hope it doesn't die before it's fully useful.. -- j Afterthought : Vice Versa - poems about brothels?