begin Ben Rosenberg's quote: | Well, as you said you don't do .0 and .1's you would know that this | has been the way to remove services in SuSE for 3 versions now. So | I don't think this command is a revelation...it's been common place | much in the way under RH they use chkconfig. fine. no problem there. my point is that i suspect that people looking for a "don't detect hardware" checkbox might not think to find someplace to type "insserv -r hwscan" or, if they found such a place, to type that string. | I also find it amazing that for the longest time people said " if | it doesn't hold your hand and do A, B and C then it won't displace | Windows.." and now that it hold's your hand..even to the point of | holding it down as MacOSX and WinXP do...now people are bitching. I | just don't think that anyone can be satisfied. the complaint people (including me) have, i think, is with the belief that it be either-or. in needn't be. the manual install in 8.2, for instance, seems to differ from the automatic install only in that it drops occasionally to the ncurses frontend of yast, but is otherwise the same as the automatic install. (there may be some point farther along in the process where its manualarity is more profound; it blew up either way while looking for a modem here.) it would be great if the manual install, in that the item is already there, be a link to a manual install, and perhaps have an actual human-readable equivalent of "insserv -r hwscan," which i suspect a substantial number of users would not recognize even if it were placed before them. i have no reason to doubt your statement that that command has been in use since 8.0. which makes it just fine for those who have used 8.x and have followed the discussions. however, if suse's target market is limited to that group, its userbase is likely to diminish, don't you think? -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere.