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Re: [Fwd: Re: [SLE] SuSE 8.2 copies already on sale at EBay]
- From: "Nicholas Parsons" <napt256@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:43:04 -0400 (EDT)
- Message-id: <20030413204304.A1FAA299AB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>In response to the suggestion "the CD contains GPL software, so you >can
>redistribute the whole CD under whatever terms you see fit..."
>*BUZZ" Wrong answer! Would you like to go again?
>If people want to remove all the non-GPL software off the CDs ,make
>copies containing the remainder, and sell CDs of them, fine, go >ahead,
>although people may find it a little difficult to install without >YaST!
>You also seem to think that since YaST is on the same CDs as >software
>that is GPL, then YaST must also be GPL - not so in the slightest,
>please understand what the GPL says and means before you make such
Also true. But how was YaST created? Was GCC used? Or did
SuSE create their own compiler/interpreter for this?
>Oh yeah, not to mention all the purely proprietary software on the >CDs
>that is licensed to SuSE for inclusion, under certain terms (which
>basically boil down to agreeing to them being included on CDs >covered by
>the YaST license I guess)
--- On Sun 04/13, James Ogley < james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
From: James Ogley [mailto: james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Date: 13 Apr 2003 21:22:03 +0100
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [SLE] SuSE 8.2 copies already on sale at EBay]
Full text included, because it was sent to me by mistake, not to the<br>list...<br><br>In response to the suggestion "the CD contains GPL software, so you can<br>redistribute the whole CD under whatever terms you see fit..."<br><br>*BUZZ" Wrong answer! Would you like to go again?<br><br>If people want to remove all the non-GPL software off the CDs ,make<br>copies containing the remainder, and sell CDs of them, fine, go ahead,<br>although people may find it a little difficult to install without YaST!<br><br>You also seem to think that since YaST is on the same CDs as software<br>that is GPL, then YaST must also be GPL - not so in the slightest,<br>please understand what the GPL says and means before you make such<br>assumptions.<br><br>Oh yeah, not to mention all the purely proprietary software on the CDs<br>that is licensed to SuSE for inclusion, under certain terms (which<br>basically boil down to agreeing to them being included on CDs covered by<br>the YaST license I guess
)<br><br>On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 13:08, Thomas Jones wrote:<br>> On Sunday 13 April 2003 02:49, James Ogley wrote:<br>> > > Ugh - direct replied again instead of to the list. Sorry for the direct<br>> > > reply James.<br>> ><br>> > No probs - I do it all the time myself ;)<br>> ><br>> > > Fair enough and understood, but honestly if I hadn't bought a copy of<br>> > > 8.1 off of ebay I never would have tried SuSE in the first place. Now<br>> > > that I have, I'll likely purchase 8.2 down the road (although 8.1 with<br>> > > updated xf86 and kde packages works good for me here). I prefer the old<br>> > > "try before you buy" method. It gives me the opportunity to try out a<br>> > > product without locking myself into an investment. Heck, I would have<br>> > > been pretty annoyed if I ever paid for Mandrake. (sorry, I just like to<br>> > > bash Mandrake since I had such a bad time with the distro)<br>> ><br>> > By all means try before you buy, but do it through the legal means - d
o<br>> > an FTP install, get hold of the live evaluation CD, or get a gratis CD<br>> > set burnt by someone.<br>> ><br>> > Glad you're a SuSE convert, hope you enjoy your stay :)<br>> <br>> Everyone here should really take the time to read the licensing provided with <br>> the SuSE distribution. <br>> <br>> First, and foremost, the Linux kernel is provided to the masses via the GPL <br>> license. This provides the means for end-users to alter, redistribute, as <br>> they may seem neccessary. This is completely legal.<br>> <br>> Second, SuSE has altered various parts of the kernel to it's liking. Which i <br>> might say, have been very good. However, they too have utilized the GPL <br>> licensing of the linux kernel to their advantage. They are legally authorized <br>> to distribute copies of the kernel for free just as any end-user is. <br>> <br>> Third, the charges that are applied from SuSE (i.e. $80.00 or so for the <br>> professional version) are not for the kernel. It i
s for their work in <br>> hacking, altering, configuration, and packaging of everything that comes with <br>> it. Which as you probably already know; is also provided under certain <br>> licensing terms. Mostly GPL as you can imagine. You are simply paying for <br>> their work making it all work together. And publishing those swesome, newbie <br>> configuration manuals and the such!<br>> <br>> Fourth, SuSE has provided their own applications within the distribution. <br>> These also are considered GPL. Anything that is applied to GPL software must <br>> also be held under that same licensing. So, in essence; if i have a program <br>> and need some changes made. I can code the functionality that i need, apply <br>> it to the original and will then be required to provide that "new" <br>> application under the GPL. <br>> <br>> You will notice that there is a BIG stink about these clauses within the <br>> corporate environment. They love the fact that they can utilize GPL softwa
re <br>> wihtout any licensing restrictions.........however, if they need to do some <br>> proprietary alterations....they must then provide their proprietary code <br>> under the same license. Hence, they have been slow to jump on the GPL and <br>> Open Source bandwagon.<br>> <br>> I believe in giving back to the community. That is why i started my website; <br>> as well as provided numerous pieces of my own software to the public via the <br>> GPL. So i understand the confusion here. I am an avid SuSE user...i've bought <br>> every version since 7.0....(off the shelf by the way).<br>> <br>> But, users selling the distributions on Ebay are not wrong. They are fully <br>> within their rights to sell their work in providing that software. When you <br>> buy a CD/DVD set from Ebay...you are not paying for the kernel...or it's <br>> secondary applications. You are paying for that persons time and work in <br>> providing that CD or DVD to you. You pay them to burn it for you..
..and take <br>> the time to mail it to you. That's it! If they state they are selling you the <br>> software itself...WRONG! They then are in breach of the GPL license.<br>> <br>> I know, i know....it's all just wording; but that is the way it is. I don't <br>> fault someone for buying SuSE products off of Ebay. I think that under <br>> certain circumstances it may be a good idea. But i would hope that those <br>> individuals would have the respect and desire to give back to the great Linux <br>> community by purchasing a OTS copy of the distro after they have "<br>> test-driven" it for awhile.<br>-- <br>James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@xxxxxxxxxxxx<br>Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 8.1).<br>GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org<br><br><br>-- <br>Check the headers for your unsubscription address<br>For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-h
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