Ok, more on the recent and never ending cludges with the nvidia kernel mods, drivers, Xserver, and Xconfigs. I updated my k_athlon kernel with the patch from the SuSe update dir (8.1) from x-66 ver to x-197 (or something along that line - you guys get the point). Now, as is often the case one must reinstall the nvidia packages after doing this, since certain aspect of the changes involved make the Nvidia mods unhappy/confused. I have had an extremely difficult time with 8.1 involving X, vid drivers, etc... Sax fails, I get a black screen, and when doing an lsmod I find the the formerly loaded modules agpgart and nvidia (formerly NVdriver in previous driver versions) is not being loaded. I have run ldconfig, SuSeconfig, etc... etc... I have tried install from both the *.rpm, *.src.rpm rebuilds and the tars, each time trying various methods suggested by both SuSE and Nvidia regarding their installation. Such things per NVidia like rpm -Uhv for the kernel mods, then rpm -e for the GLX mod followed by rpm -ihv for the GLX drivers. I have done a depmod -a at various stages, and basically everything I can think of to make this work (included a mk_initrd at various stages of my repeated attempts). I suspect this may be a problem with the binary nvidia drivers being made for the kernel install prior to the update patch. I have thought of getting the full rpm (rather than the patch) off the ftp site for the k_athlon kernel (which of course is larger). I wonder if anyone else has had similar problem, if so might you share your experiences/insights with any success or failures. TIA, Curtis.