Crums it's a nuisance when a "permanent" ( as in paid for ) email addy gets weird and worse , random .. <sigh> and now to make things really awful, I can't locate the SuSE mailing lists page .. ( I seem to be getting two copies of everything from the more than random addy !! ANd I have had a couple of hard drives replaces , not to mention a couple of disastes that happened just as I was getting ready to do a backup .. so I don't have the signin up instructions ( THAT is really annoying... ) but if I don't get it sorted soon, I'm going to be getting nasty grams from Chris .. deserved only becauseI can't find the page again.. I'm not responsible for the eternal.net server being sporadic at best <G> But still , it must be annoying for them as well ( SuSE ) I'm completely brain dead at the moment , stayed up to watch the TEnnis masters tourney which is in Singapore, and espn is broadcasting some of it live .. Help !! -- j afterthought: Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die