->Hang on, was the install of 8.1 an upgrade from 8.0 or a fresh install? -> ->(I never trust the upgrades.) I don't usually trust them either, but the upgrade I did on my workstation in the office (same video card) worked like a charm. I did an upgrade 1st..then out of frustration did a full fresh reinstall. I thought it could have been a faulty CDROM drive. It wasn't and it still screwed up. ->You *might* have a sickness in your graphics card itself though - memory ->in the card might be at fault, not in that part that's used for VGA, but ->when things get more exciting. I just reinstalled 8.0. It works like a charm. *shrug* ->BTW I'm not much of an expert on PC hardware, just tend to be fairly ->good at zoning in on faults. So the hwinfo file won't give me many more ->clues, but someone else out there might see something. If I can find something that's screwed up..I will. It's knack. :) ->I'm still *sure* this is hardware related. As we well know, Linux just ->doesn't crash like this unless there's a hardware (or hardware ->configuration) problem. Oh sure it does. Poorly compile software can screw up right quick. I'm not say 8.1 is poorly compiled. I'm saying 8.1 hates something about my machine that I can't figure out. For example...during the 8.0 install my monitor was seen and setup correctly and under 8.1's version of sax2 it couldn't see it correctly with a flash light and directions. :) ->Go pay more attention to your wife you... man, you. :-P I did when she got back from her girlie clothing swap. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.