I've just installed v8.0 on a newly formatted partition. The easiest install I've had in the six or seven years that I've been using Linux. Two small, but rather annoying problems, however. If I put a new icon on the menu bar, it disappears if I happen to close KDE for some reason. My second problem is that I can't seem to download mail with an email client, I've tried both Evolution and Kmail. The connection is refused by my ISP. I can log onto mail.isp.com and get my mail that way, but the email clients don't work. It's not a connectivity problem as I can ping servers and get replies, yahoo for example. Thanks in advance for suggestions and solutions. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Multivariant and stochastic http://web.jadeinc.com/FoundationChem