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RE: [SLE] installing suse 7.3 - again ;))
- From: Matthew Johnson <matthew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: 16 Feb 2002 13:33:18 -0800
- Message-id: <1013895198.3349.15.camel@mon-ami>
On Sat, 2002-02-16 at 09:06, Dwaine Felch wrote:
> Linux upgrades are bug fixes for the previous buggy OS, in case you are too
> blind
> to see that. No free upgrades from M$, what do you call each version of
> Explorer.
> Security holes? I have an inbox full of linux security updates just in the
> last month,
> M$ security holes are widely advertised and linux holes are overlooked by
> the media.
Oh, do you mean that one hole in an older app that happens to then be
repeated across a wide range of distributions as they each issue their
own advisory? Ever notice that most security holes happen to be local on
Linux whilst Windows ones tended to be remote?
> One independent government study showed linux had more holes than Mac or
> Win2k.
>
Got a link to that?
> In my 20 years as a IT specialist I have tested more different OSs and
> computer
> hardware configurations than your shallow mind could ever dream of. I enjoy
> a healthy
> different opinion that is how we learn. Your intolerance to someone else
> experience
> probably gets you nowhere in life.
>
Don't ever boast about how many years experience you have, anyone with a
few years worth of experience knows this raises a red flag. Why? Well I
helped a Sys Admin with 30 years experience setup Sendmail so it could
actually send and receive e-mail from outside the box. One of many
reasons to not trumpet your horn about "20" years experience. Just like
that techie who blinds some newbie with "techno-babble" to win an
argument. I don't fall for it, nor do many others who probably have more
experience than you do.
Your arguments were weak without actually being backed up. Your
arguments were delivered as fact, this is fine as long as they are
worded as an opinion, which in your case they were not.
Matt
PS This is OT, but you've been slewing lots of factual errors, so it
ends here as this place is to discuss SuSE Linux.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Bliss [mailto:bliss@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:43 AM
> To: Dwaine Felch
> Cc: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [SLE] installing suse 7.3 - again ;))
>
>
> Ah, nice to see a Microsoft Shill posting. Actually, there are free
> upgrades, you just need
> to put forth some effort to acquire them. Unlike Microsoft for which there
> are no free
> upgrades, the upgades are generally bug fixes of the previous buggy OS, and
> there are
> tremendous numbers of security holes which the user is paying good money to
> install on
> their computer.
>
> Glad you like 2000, it crashes rather consistently on my system while SuSE
> linux does
> not. Faster? what the hell are you doing, running 2000 on a P 4 and
> running linux on a
> 486?
>
> Get a life, most of the people on this list know the truth.
>
>
> 02/16/02 09:09:11 AM, Dwaine Felch <dwainef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >As linux companies get a taste of money they have started to become like
> >Microsoft, as we know is one of the best at raking in revenue.
> >Just in the past year or year and half Suse and Mandrake had two releases
> >each with no free upgrades. Suse quit providing ISOs for x86; with each
> turn of the
> corner linux companies decrease benefits and scam you for more money, this
> will
> continue to increase.
> >
> >In the coming years linux marketing will be no different than the other
> >evil empire. It won't be long and people will be angry at linux and be
> >looking for alternatives.
> >
> >Myself have found Windows 2000 a much better OS than any linux I've worked
> >with, W2k always runs faster and has a well laid out GUI with polished
> >features; KDE is clunky and slow with a 100x more bugs and hicups than
> >you will ever find in Windows 2000.
> >
> >I think Microsoft is excellent at developing a product if they
> >concentrated there efforts on a version of linux they would blow the
> >doors off all other linux companies.
> >
> >A few of many things to ponder.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Ever seince SuSE version 7.1, SuSE has decided to become little money
> hungry >
> bastards and
> >>they no longer have the install ISO's on line, but they are available to
> paying >
> customers.
> >>BUT, belive me when I say this, SuSE would be more then happy to take down
> their >
> FTP
> >>server and all other mirrors. But they cant cuz Linus would have nothing
> to do
> >>with it. and the GPL will not allow it. Their says would be numbered if
> they
> >>pulled a stunt like that. So you can still get SuSE for free off the FTP
> server,
> >>BUT not in an install ISO form. You have have to download it package by
> >>package. And this is where they get really shitty about some things.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the
> >archives at http://lists.suse.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the
> archives at http://lists.suse.com
>
>
> --
> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the
> archives at http://lists.suse.com
> Linux upgrades are bug fixes for the previous buggy OS, in case you are too
> blind
> to see that. No free upgrades from M$, what do you call each version of
> Explorer.
> Security holes? I have an inbox full of linux security updates just in the
> last month,
> M$ security holes are widely advertised and linux holes are overlooked by
> the media.
Oh, do you mean that one hole in an older app that happens to then be
repeated across a wide range of distributions as they each issue their
own advisory? Ever notice that most security holes happen to be local on
Linux whilst Windows ones tended to be remote?
> One independent government study showed linux had more holes than Mac or
> Win2k.
>
Got a link to that?
> In my 20 years as a IT specialist I have tested more different OSs and
> computer
> hardware configurations than your shallow mind could ever dream of. I enjoy
> a healthy
> different opinion that is how we learn. Your intolerance to someone else
> experience
> probably gets you nowhere in life.
>
Don't ever boast about how many years experience you have, anyone with a
few years worth of experience knows this raises a red flag. Why? Well I
helped a Sys Admin with 30 years experience setup Sendmail so it could
actually send and receive e-mail from outside the box. One of many
reasons to not trumpet your horn about "20" years experience. Just like
that techie who blinds some newbie with "techno-babble" to win an
argument. I don't fall for it, nor do many others who probably have more
experience than you do.
Your arguments were weak without actually being backed up. Your
arguments were delivered as fact, this is fine as long as they are
worded as an opinion, which in your case they were not.
Matt
PS This is OT, but you've been slewing lots of factual errors, so it
ends here as this place is to discuss SuSE Linux.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Bliss [mailto:bliss@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:43 AM
> To: Dwaine Felch
> Cc: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [SLE] installing suse 7.3 - again ;))
>
>
> Ah, nice to see a Microsoft Shill posting. Actually, there are free
> upgrades, you just need
> to put forth some effort to acquire them. Unlike Microsoft for which there
> are no free
> upgrades, the upgades are generally bug fixes of the previous buggy OS, and
> there are
> tremendous numbers of security holes which the user is paying good money to
> install on
> their computer.
>
> Glad you like 2000, it crashes rather consistently on my system while SuSE
> linux does
> not. Faster? what the hell are you doing, running 2000 on a P 4 and
> running linux on a
> 486?
>
> Get a life, most of the people on this list know the truth.
>
>
> 02/16/02 09:09:11 AM, Dwaine Felch <dwainef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >As linux companies get a taste of money they have started to become like
> >Microsoft, as we know is one of the best at raking in revenue.
> >Just in the past year or year and half Suse and Mandrake had two releases
> >each with no free upgrades. Suse quit providing ISOs for x86; with each
> turn of the
> corner linux companies decrease benefits and scam you for more money, this
> will
> continue to increase.
> >
> >In the coming years linux marketing will be no different than the other
> >evil empire. It won't be long and people will be angry at linux and be
> >looking for alternatives.
> >
> >Myself have found Windows 2000 a much better OS than any linux I've worked
> >with, W2k always runs faster and has a well laid out GUI with polished
> >features; KDE is clunky and slow with a 100x more bugs and hicups than
> >you will ever find in Windows 2000.
> >
> >I think Microsoft is excellent at developing a product if they
> >concentrated there efforts on a version of linux they would blow the
> >doors off all other linux companies.
> >
> >A few of many things to ponder.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Ever seince SuSE version 7.1, SuSE has decided to become little money
> hungry >
> bastards and
> >>they no longer have the install ISO's on line, but they are available to
> paying >
> customers.
> >>BUT, belive me when I say this, SuSE would be more then happy to take down
> their >
> FTP
> >>server and all other mirrors. But they cant cuz Linus would have nothing
> to do
> >>with it. and the GPL will not allow it. Their says would be numbered if
> they
> >>pulled a stunt like that. So you can still get SuSE for free off the FTP
> server,
> >>BUT not in an install ISO form. You have have to download it package by
> >>package. And this is where they get really shitty about some things.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> >For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> >Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the
> >archives at http://lists.suse.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the
> archives at http://lists.suse.com
>
>
> --
> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the
> archives at http://lists.suse.com
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