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Re: [SLE] IDE CDRW installation...
- From: "Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka" <kastus@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 15:31:34 -0700
- Message-id: <20010903153134.C26250@xxxxxxxxx>
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 05:55:37PM -0400, Tracer Bullet wrote:
> On Monday 03 September 2001 02:14 pm, Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka,
> you wrote:
> The site is:
> > > http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/tbraza_ide_brenner.html
>
> > This is an incorrect statement. ide-scsi is needed for CD writer
> > only.
> ---------------------------
> Kastus, go to the site, these are simplified instructions from SuSE!
> I realized as many do, that there are ways around everything and
> different ways to do them by users in the know, but these
> instructions work with no problems and are generally easy to follow.
> Think back to the time you were a "newbie" and then maybe you can
> understand better what it feels like to us.
The page at the URL does not say in any place that if you use ide-scsi
then you need to use it on all IDE drives. It is possible,
but not required. That was my point. The problem is with TIMTOWTDI -
there is more than one way to do it. Sometimes it may be confusing :-)
>
> end of line
> Tracer
> ---------------------------
> > Logging in as root is a bad security practice. You better use su
> > to become root, or even better, configure sudo for use with
> > cdrecord.
> >
> > -Kastus
> ----------------------------
> You are right, logging in as root is hazardous for sure, but
> sometimes you have to take the risk! ;-) Also, some of us are
> actually using SuSE as a standard replacement OS on a desktop, no
> networking, etc involved.
Being root may be dangerous even on a standalone machine. One typo
may cost you a lot. E.g. if you run cd / ; rm -rf as root it will
just delete ALL your filesystem. If you run it as a regular
user, it will may hurt just your home directory. It's usually
recommended to "sit on your hands" before hitting Enter key being root.
> Yes, it's true, Linux is ready for the
> desktop! ;-) And there you go again with your expert thoughts
> talking over my head at least, what the heck is "sudo"?
>From man page for sudo:
sudo allows a permitted user to execute a command as the
superuser or another user, as specified in the sudoers
file. The real and effective uid and gid are set to match
those of the target user as specified in the passwd file
(the group vector is also initialized when the target user
is not root). By default, sudo requires that users
authenticate themselves with a password (NOTE: this is the
user's password, not the root password). Once a user has
been authenticated, a timestamp is updated and the user
may then use sudo without a password for a short period of
time (five minutes by default).
In Linux (or UNIX generally) it is not the amount of information
you have in your head which matters (though it is useful).
Much more important is to know the way how to get information, use
man pages, howto's, or even use google. And don't be afraid to learn.
-Kastus
> On Monday 03 September 2001 02:14 pm, Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka,
> you wrote:
> The site is:
> > > http://sdb.suse.de/en/sdb/html/tbraza_ide_brenner.html
>
> > This is an incorrect statement. ide-scsi is needed for CD writer
> > only.
> ---------------------------
> Kastus, go to the site, these are simplified instructions from SuSE!
> I realized as many do, that there are ways around everything and
> different ways to do them by users in the know, but these
> instructions work with no problems and are generally easy to follow.
> Think back to the time you were a "newbie" and then maybe you can
> understand better what it feels like to us.
The page at the URL does not say in any place that if you use ide-scsi
then you need to use it on all IDE drives. It is possible,
but not required. That was my point. The problem is with TIMTOWTDI -
there is more than one way to do it. Sometimes it may be confusing :-)
>
> end of line
> Tracer
> ---------------------------
> > Logging in as root is a bad security practice. You better use su
> > to become root, or even better, configure sudo for use with
> > cdrecord.
> >
> > -Kastus
> ----------------------------
> You are right, logging in as root is hazardous for sure, but
> sometimes you have to take the risk! ;-) Also, some of us are
> actually using SuSE as a standard replacement OS on a desktop, no
> networking, etc involved.
Being root may be dangerous even on a standalone machine. One typo
may cost you a lot. E.g. if you run cd / ; rm -rf as root it will
just delete ALL your filesystem. If you run it as a regular
user, it will may hurt just your home directory. It's usually
recommended to "sit on your hands" before hitting Enter key being root.
> Yes, it's true, Linux is ready for the
> desktop! ;-) And there you go again with your expert thoughts
> talking over my head at least, what the heck is "sudo"?
>From man page for sudo:
sudo allows a permitted user to execute a command as the
superuser or another user, as specified in the sudoers
file. The real and effective uid and gid are set to match
those of the target user as specified in the passwd file
(the group vector is also initialized when the target user
is not root). By default, sudo requires that users
authenticate themselves with a password (NOTE: this is the
user's password, not the root password). Once a user has
been authenticated, a timestamp is updated and the user
may then use sudo without a password for a short period of
time (five minutes by default).
In Linux (or UNIX generally) it is not the amount of information
you have in your head which matters (though it is useful).
Much more important is to know the way how to get information, use
man pages, howto's, or even use google. And don't be afraid to learn.
-Kastus
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