Re: [SLE] FW: [SLE] suse 7.2!!

Right, technically speaking almost everyone on this mailing list is a "hacker". We are because we get into the guts of the OS and change things - config files, make files, write scripts, etc. Crackers and script kiddies are the ones that are the problem. They break into servers and data bases, and to DDoS attacks. Oh and run all those Warez sites with the pirated SF, the endless "open up new IE and Netscape" windows scripts and porn sites with viruses, bots, and trojan horses embedded in the pirated software. Hackers are good, Crackers are evil. Cheers, :-) Curtis On Friday 01 June 2001 06:24 am, Peer-Christoph Mettelem wrote:

Hi,

don't get me wrong, but in my opinion you wrote something wrong: A Hacker doesn't sell illegal copies of software. I think that it's a pity that so many people mix up the meaning of hacker and cracker. In short: hackers are the good ones, crackers are the bad ones. So, if you want to gete illegal software (warez) you goto a cracker. If it'S something about security then you got to a hacker. I really hate, that even in tv crackers were called hackers. There are much more infos about that on the web.

And somtehing else: a windoze dll is part of a programm rather than a normal file like doc files.

Another reason for people to use M$ products may be, that most of them know windows already and use it at work (i'm forced to use WinNT, too, but i'm using Linux as much as possible).

Peer

PS: Why are'n penguins able to fly? Something, that can't fly can't crash!

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-----Original Message----- From: Josi L. Rojano [mailto:jlrojano@bifap.org] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:45 PM To: Lennart Bvrjeson; suse-linux-e Subject: RE: [SLE] suse 7.2!!

Hi!

I would add one more reason to explain the popularity of Windows/Office package: piracy (and hence a software that is almost FREE). I mean, everybody can get a very cheap copy of the Windows/Office package from a hacker and install it on their computers.

IMHO if users would have to pay for installing this package, a lot of them would have simply give up and forget about the M$ SW... That why M$ have resigned the new licensing policy scheme. They know that piracy have also a great positive impact on their success... (in terms of acceptance of their formats: .doc .dll and so on)...

That's my opinion.

Regards,

Jose.

-----Mensaje original----- De: Lennart Bvrjeson [mailto:LennartB@cinnober.com] Enviado el: viernes, 01 de junio de 2001 12:21 Para: suse-linux-e@suse.com Asunto: SV: [SLE] suse 7.2!!

The success of Windows rests on three pillars:

1) The acceptance of Windows as a game console.

This is what most home PCs are used for. The typical Windows user wants out-of-the-box games compatibility. Just insert the CD!

2) The adoption of Word as a format for the exchange of documents.

How many times have you not received a Word document in mail or via a web page? And with consistent regularity, it will have been made with a Word version later than the one you have, which forces you to upgrade. And the latest version of Word/Excel/etc is only available on the Windows platform... (This is, BTW, what killed NT on the RISC platforms (Mips, PowerPC, Alpha). There was ONLY Windows available, no office applications, which forced every user who needed the extra muscle offered by RISC to have two workstations at his/her desk.)

3) The adoption of Exchange in the business community.

This immediately forces all clients to use Outlook, which is only available on Windows. Yes, you can use POP3/IMAP/SMTP, but you'll miss out on all the "extra" group-ware utilities bundled with Exchange.

(I've heard a rumour that the Web-interface of Exchange2000 can do everything Outlook can, but I'll bet that only applies to users of IE5+ on Windows...)

Linux needs to counter Windows on all three fronts by offering 99.9% Windows compatibility + superior features, otherwise the common non-techie person won't stand the hassle of converting.

/Lennart

-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: yamaska.mail [mailto:yamaska.mail@planet.nl] Skickat: den 31 maj 2001 18:27 Till: j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net Kopia: suse-linux-e@suse.com Dmne: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!

Worse yet, you don't even get Visual Basic, they make you buy this as well !!!

Greetz Pete (A newbie)

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Drews" To: "Ben Rosenberg" Cc: Sent: Thursday, 31 May, 2001 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] suse 7.2!!

On Wednesday 30 May 2001 22:51, Ben wrote:

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I would rather pay $50 every 6 months then $300 (W2K Feb 2000) then have to spend

another $150-200 for

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XP 18 months later..and when Linux improves..it

impoves..it's not just

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cosmetic most of the time. This is just my opinion.

I would rather pay $300.00 for 3 Linux Distros than

be given Microsoft

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Windows for free.

How the hell M$ sold so much software is a mystery

to me. It's really

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pathetic stuff. The detractors of Linux say it comes

with no applications.

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Are these people brain dead? All Linux distros come

with C, C++, Python and

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Perl. All you get with M$ is Visual Basic. I'd

rather use my K+E Log-Log

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Duplex Decitrig slide rule that that stuff.

-- Cheers,

Jonathan

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