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Re: [SLE] Support vs Support (Was: [SLE] util-linux and Kernel 2.4.3)
- From: Michael Hasenstein <mha@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:21:57 -0700
- Message-id: <3AE4E345.19315140@xxxxxxxx>
"Rafael E. Herrera" wrote:
> He is talking about looking at those dirs under yast. The symlinks in
> the kernel directory are invisble when you look at it through yast. That
> is a potential problem. If you went in there expecting to find
> everything you need to do a kernel update you will miss those RPMs. You
> have to browse all the update directories and update everything to just
> make sure your are not missing anything, not the best solution I think.
Yes. As I said, from my own point of view - I'm just a user of SuSE
Linux myself and not a developer - updates for the running distribution
need some improvement, to put it carefully. It's being addressed through
YOU which has a very nice concept (although the current yast2 YOU module
is not too great from a GUI designing point of view), but the limit here
is - bandwidth. This ftp.suse.com is so busy... this is why not all
updates are available via YOU right now. We're talking to the provider
to add some more, but I'm almost afraid that even when we triple
bandwidht it won't last very long: Our provider made an experiment not
too long ago. When they got a new 155MB line they gave it to us for a
few hours, just to see what would happen. Well, after very few minutes
this line was at maximum as well... and look at the prices of bandwidth,
look how much you pay to have a server connected at between 34Mbit/s and
155Mbit/s. We have to sell _a lot_ of boxes to get this money back, and
it doesn't even cover the machine and administration! I know people
take that for granted these days, but that doesn't change the fact that
someone's gotta pay this bill as well. Yes, the current system can be
improved a lot as it is, the bandwidth issue is not the 100% excuse.
It's just that yast2-YOU _is_ what we're currently working on as a fix,
and if updates are as easy as with YOU, and imagine you add automated
updated checks on top so that many more people find out simutaneously
that there's a new update and come at the same time to download it...
autsch.
I _have_ told the kernel guys the kernel section in the update section
is the least documented one, although it is the one that really should
have the _most_ guidance... well, let's see.
Michael
> He is talking about looking at those dirs under yast. The symlinks in
> the kernel directory are invisble when you look at it through yast. That
> is a potential problem. If you went in there expecting to find
> everything you need to do a kernel update you will miss those RPMs. You
> have to browse all the update directories and update everything to just
> make sure your are not missing anything, not the best solution I think.
Yes. As I said, from my own point of view - I'm just a user of SuSE
Linux myself and not a developer - updates for the running distribution
need some improvement, to put it carefully. It's being addressed through
YOU which has a very nice concept (although the current yast2 YOU module
is not too great from a GUI designing point of view), but the limit here
is - bandwidth. This ftp.suse.com is so busy... this is why not all
updates are available via YOU right now. We're talking to the provider
to add some more, but I'm almost afraid that even when we triple
bandwidht it won't last very long: Our provider made an experiment not
too long ago. When they got a new 155MB line they gave it to us for a
few hours, just to see what would happen. Well, after very few minutes
this line was at maximum as well... and look at the prices of bandwidth,
look how much you pay to have a server connected at between 34Mbit/s and
155Mbit/s. We have to sell _a lot_ of boxes to get this money back, and
it doesn't even cover the machine and administration! I know people
take that for granted these days, but that doesn't change the fact that
someone's gotta pay this bill as well. Yes, the current system can be
improved a lot as it is, the bandwidth issue is not the 100% excuse.
It's just that yast2-YOU _is_ what we're currently working on as a fix,
and if updates are as easy as with YOU, and imagine you add automated
updated checks on top so that many more people find out simutaneously
that there's a new update and come at the same time to download it...
autsch.
I _have_ told the kernel guys the kernel section in the update section
is the least documented one, although it is the one that really should
have the _most_ guidance... well, let's see.
Michael
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