Hi All I 've just signed on to the list - have been reading the archives over a couple of years or so , - since SuSE Linux 5.0 . Now In the process of Updating my system [200PPintell] , from SuSE Linux 70 Professional - > to Use The 2.4.2 kernel series . Have- Gnome- KDE- Kde2- WindowMaker- fvwm2- ALSA -0.5.9d - kernel 2.4.2-4GB - SuSE Linux 7.0 Apps , and System . Sound card ymfpci - The ALSA sound System is Phenomenal . just has some problems recording MIDI From My 'Kawai X-150-D' Synth Keyboard . In order to update ALSA , I have to Up-date The Kernel - I have been reading the list here , and I see that a good Step 1 , is to read the Changes doc in /usr/src/linux/Documentation Sounds Easy So Far Right ? Something tells me that there are some Changes going on right before our eyes . Looks like a Good Thing . Not to worry ; I know that you can't always use mixed distro-rpm's together, but I just want to increase the Kernel, and the ALSA - at this time, Then I buy SuSE 7.2 CDVD's , or later if the ALSA is fixed for the ymfpci - or I do it myself , whatever. OK so I can't install util-linux.rpm - when I'm on the internet reading this list - why? well , so far - I hope it's only that it needs the serial line free , before it can install - Hmmm I've got all the other requirements, as stated in the /usr/src/linux/Documentation - Changes by downloading them from suse-ftp - update, and suse 7.1 directorys. All kidding aside , I would be all set if there were no need to urgently update for Sound Purposes. All the apps, and system stuff I use have a good feel, and look - Linux - SuSE - Has come A Long way since '95 . John W Mislan -- God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking