Ok you all are driving me nuts I can not get a copy til payday friday. I hope this bestbuy here in tyler has that special on then for I plan to go out an get it friday night. I think I will do a fresh install this time an see what happens. When i did the upgrade last time over 6.4 my xwindows broke an i not get it going yet except for root. but not had the time to fool with it much til this weekend. jack Jack Malone jack@malone.tyler.com http://www.ballistic.com/~jemalone Luke 4:18-19 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." (NIV)