Matthew wrote: <snip>>
I agree that Yast1 and Yast2 should be Open Source, it was really annoying getting the updated lilo and not being able to effect the llba32 option via Yast.
Funny you should mention Whistler....What makes you think it will be $89 for the upgrade? Even if it is, I would not ever want it. I occaisonly upgrade my computer with new hardware, its going to be totally annoying having to call MS to get a new key and to prove I am the real user (and to stop me from installing it on any other computer). Almost forgot about the new licensing, you're gonna have family licensing, small business licensing (and many others). If the upgrade (just an upgrade, one CD with no manuals, probably no support) is $89 that will be for just one license....
I don't think there will be many retail buyers for Whistler, and I don't think M$ cares. They'll install it on new computers, locking customers in to using Windows talking to Windows servers.
Why are you taking all the credit for making Linux popular? Who cares! The people who made Linux did it just for fun, they never actually set out to chamge the world. Really, what made Linux popular was not just the small business people, but programmers who spent countless hours doing free work...And others who just enjoyed hacking around the system. Yes
That's not _totally_ true. Sometimes changing the world is kind of fun, too. :-)
We all like Linux, all this bickering is no good. Yes, what has happened over the last few days was terrible, but Ben's words ring true...Have fun! What is done is done, only time will tell if SuSE took the right or wrong decision.
Please lets get back to being techs ok? People are coming here for help, lets give them the best Open Source assistance we can and make Linux work and achieve what everything we want it to.
Matt
On Thursday 08 February 2001 06:37 pm, Timothy R. Butler wrote:
Well put Samy!!!! Common sense says that you don't take a product that is developed mostly by other developers (for no cost to SuSE - note I say _mostly since SuSE does have the KDE, ALSA, X, and Reiser guys) and charge the same price that Microsoft charges. Maybe instead of everyone writting Microsoft as M$, they should write SuSE as $u$E. I mean, Win2k is pretty stable, and well polished - why is the average stability nut or anyone else going to pay $70 for SuSE, when Whistler (which should be as stable as Win2k) will probably retail for $89 (upgrade)? To me, I challange SuSE to consider the following:
1.) Mandrake, a much more popular distro, includes more software for $10 _less_ than SuSE's Pro edition. 2.) If Linux is going to cost the same as Windows, every thing should work (Windows crashes, but everything works) just like Windows. 3.) SuSE should contribute back it's most integral tool (YaST/YaST2) as open source. If RedHat had done like SuSE with RPM - wouldn't that be horrible? If Linus had done this kind of thing with Linux - we wouldn't have Linux. If Richard Stallman had done that with the GNU Project- there wouldn't be open source as we know it. The simple fact is, if you make your living off of open source, your code should be open source. 4.) If you want to charge $70 or so dollars for the pro edition, you should offer a non-supported edition for those of us who don't enjoy spending our hard earned money on support we will never use. 5.) Don't forgot your loyal SOHO/Small Business Customers. We created Linux's popularity, and brought it to the attention of big business.
-Tim
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-----Original Message----- From: Samy Elashmawy [mailto:samelash@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:39 AM To: Michael Hasenstein; joe Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Inc. Lay offs?
How meny boxes at $79.99 do you expect a typical non comercial user to buy a year at M$ type pricing. At $29.99 I have no problem buming up at each dot version , but at $79.00 I will realy look closely at the product. If I hade a big fat internet pipe I would just download it , but with dial up that is not an option.
Shucks if you put the boxes in comp usa , best but , and aall the other consumer retiual outlets , you are not going to get the big coperate guys buying them there. You instead end up having your typical "joe blow" aho knows little about linux getting phreaked out by sticker shock.
This is not MS it is LINUX. Freely aviualable and GPL. The chain stores want to move product and mark it up based on traffic , and with 4 reviosons / dot versions a year , the wont keep the stock on the shelf , as soon as the new one is released theey will mark down the older one.
$79.99 is to expensive , shucks , you can go down to the book store and buy a good quality linux book with the distro on cd for half the $79.99 price of the boxed set. Spliting it into two diffrent version was not to my likeing. Most peaple will feel they are missing something in the standard vversion , and feel they are paying to mucg for the deluxe version , just to make sure they got every thing.
I bought my first version 5.3 for $69.99 retial at borders , and a real short time it was obsolete as the newer veersi0on came out. Linux is now getting just as expensive as M$ from looking at the retial shelevs.
At 02:36 PM 2/7/2001 -0800, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
joe wrote:
My guess is the sudden change to two different releases and raise in
prices by
SuSE was to offset lower than expected sales. A lot of other linux
companies
No. The sales have climed steadily. It's just that when suse started in the us people thought they'd add an incentive for retail by selling the box cheap to them, so that they could add a huge markup and make a nice profit. It turned out they only added a very small markup and suse linux was WAY too cheap in this country.
will suffer the same fate. Times have changed, the ecomomic climate for
linux in
America is not the same as it was a year ago.
Actually, the business climate is still very good. All the big guys are moving into Linux rapidly. It's just that the consumers don't buy as many boxes here, plus the market is split much more than anywhere else - because EVERYONE wants to be in the us market so here's the most competition for box sales.
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