$80 is a pretty small wig. The personal edition, suitable for the "whole bunch of us using it in the low end area as well as on the desktop with older hardware," is $30. The fact that you buy the Professional Edition (as I do) and use it on a hobby system is your choice. Even in the $30 Personal Edition, you still get more than what Red Hat will sell you for $80, and far more than MS will sell you for $90. Samy Elashmawy wrote:
You just dont get it , not every suse customer is a corperate big wig wanting to put up a clinet SERVER , there are a whole bunch of us using it in the low end area as well as on the desktop with older hardware. Thats all I was pionting out , as well as how I got into linux.
At 09:20 PM 2/8/2001 -0800, Tim Hanson wrote:
I can't figure out why these detractors jump on the price of SuSE Professional, comparing it to M$. Invariably they make the comparison based on the lowly client version of Win98. In truth, they should be comparing it to Windows 2000 Data Center, especially now with the 2.4 kernel. How much does Microsoft charge for unlimited seats on that software, complete with all tools to manage the enterprise? With "Open Licensing?" Let's not forget that the customer is free to put Linux on as many boxes as desired, and burn as many CDs as necessary to accomplish the job, for $79.99. All they can't do is take YaST, recompile it with their own name, and sell the result as their own distribution. That's it.
Samy Elashmawy wrote:
The high price of M$ is what lead me to linux , The other distros are mostly two cd distros and not as packed as the suse distro. I ahvvve used them since 5.3 and with there $79.99 pricing will most likely NOT update at each new incremental release , but only on the major full relase and not the dot relaese
At 11:11 AM 2/8/2001 -0600, Gary wrote:
Hi Samy,
On Thursday, February 08, 2001, 1:24 AM, you rearranged your electrons about "[SLE] SuSE Inc. Lay offs?":
S> all the more reason to keep the BS factor and smoke and mirrors
stuff to a
S> minimum. The reason I continue to buy suse is the rock solid product , the S> new two tone pricing structure does not make me happy. I have bought every S> version since 5.3 most of them for $29.99 and am not happy with being hit S> for M$ type pricing of 7.0 / 7.1
$69 is far from MickySoft type pricing. Have you checked out what the W2K servers are going for, starting at lease $2000+ for small licenses ... and any upgrade from M$ is costs more than far more than a full distro. Linux is not only a desktop application, but several other things rolled into one, i.e. NFS, webserver, firewall, DNS server, router, mail server, etc. You pay *extra* for all of these, in M$. SuSE's pricing is right in line with the other distros, unless you want the RH Pro which is $159 to $179 US - that is without hardly any software... You mainly get a web server and SSH... big deal.
S> That and there new "strategy has turned off a LOT of LOYAL suse S> useres who put them there.I seems that they want to go closer to S> the enterprise big corperate customer and not there mainstay linux S> users of the past. If that does contimnue , I will look into S> another distro , most likely Debian.
I disagree with you here about their pricing strategy. It is directly in line with any other distro on the store shelves... Check out Best Buy, or Office Max, or any of the others, $69 is the going rate here in the US for a powerpack or Pro version, and most don't have the complete manuals that SuSE has. Getting closer to enterprise, is the money backbone for any Linux company, as retail sales worldwide will not sustain corporate earnings. Profit comes from service. Linux per se is now in a position to really do damage to M$ enterprise corporate users because of the new 2.4 kernel. Memory is now fully supported up to 6.5 Gb, instead of 2MB, cluster and load balancing is enhanced, and most importantly the use of multiple processors is now fully supported, which enterprise has always used and needed. I believe that now up to 13 processors (from my poor memory) are now supported, and some have used far more with success...
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