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Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
- From: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 16:36:00 -0500
- Message-id: <017401c092e0$4c1a5e60$0f01000a@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Bill Gates & Co. must laugh their collective a**es off whenever someone
suggests that Linux might one day take over the desktop. With every Linux
distro going its own way and with the continued battle-of-the-GUIs between
GNOME and KDE, Microsoft will never have anything to worry about.
On the other hand, HP, IBM, Sun, and Compaq (sorry to see you go DEC), had
better watch their backs. The 2.4 kernel is gaining ground in their
territory.
John R. Smiley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Marlin" <jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> John Smiley writes:
> > It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've
seen,
> > other than SuSE, uses the same standard.
>
> Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even
> use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions
> I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.
>
> Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match
> RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken.
> If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date,
> I make my own.
>
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jesse Marlin" <jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "Matthew" <matthew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> >
> >
> > > John Smiley writes:
> > > > Matt,
> > > >
> > > > I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they
introduced
> > in
> > > > 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time
glibc
> > 2.2
> > > > package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported
Oracle
> > and I
> > > > really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH.
My
> > main
> > > > gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.
> > >
> > > You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The
RPM
> > > package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Matthew" <matthew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello John,
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different
:-),
> > found
> > > > > that out...
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE
know
> > the
> > > > > answer to this one?
> > > > >
> > > > > You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using
before,
> > if I
> > > > > may ask?
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Matt,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't
know
> > if it
> > > > > > would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides.
What
> > are
> > > > some of
> > > > > > these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm,
and
> > > > reiserfs
> > > > > > in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of
these
> > from
> > > > > > their respective distribution sites. What other extras should
I be
> > > > aware
> > > > > > of?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Matthew" <matthew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Cc: <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got
mine
> > > > here:
> > > > > > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others
offer.
> > And
> > > > for
> > > > > > > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone
through a
> > QA
> > > > > > > process too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: John Smiley
> > > > > > > > To: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time
> > getting
> > > > used
> > > > > > to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see
posted
> > > > > > everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find
> > > > 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'
> > > > > > to update the latest version of modutils on most linux
> > distributions,
> > > > but
> > > > > > SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils
rpm
> > from
> > > > say,
> > > > > > SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with
files in
> > > > SuSE's
> > > > > > 'modules' package.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm
for
> > the
> > > > > > "official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel.
Everyone
> > else
> > > > seems
> > > > > > to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine
the
> > > > version
> > > > > > number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The
standard I
> > see
> > > > > > everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm
file
> > name.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment.
I
> > would
> > > > like
> > > > > > to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about
> > downloading
> > > > an
> > > > > > rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this
is
> > hardly
> > > > > > main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put
> > together a
> > > > > > package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the
> > kernel
> > > > from
> > > > > > ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the
appropriate
> > versions
> > > > of
> > > > > > the required packages and compile my kernel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of
support
> > SuSE
> > > > > > provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John R. Smiley
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > // Name: Jesse Marlin // Intec Telecom Systems //
> > > // Voice: 404-705-2912 // 5775 Peachtree-Dunwoody Road, Bldg G //
> > > // Fax: 404-705-2805 // Atlanta, GA 30342 //
> > > // Email: jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx //
> > > // Web: http://www.intec-telecom-systems.com //
> > >
> >
> >
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> > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
>
>
>
> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> // Name: Jesse Marlin // Intec Telecom Systems //
> // Voice: 404-705-2912 // 5775 Peachtree-Dunwoody Road, Bldg G //
> // Fax: 404-705-2805 // Atlanta, GA 30342 //
> // Email: jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx //
> // Web: http://www.intec-telecom-systems.com //
>
> --
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> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
>
>
suggests that Linux might one day take over the desktop. With every Linux
distro going its own way and with the continued battle-of-the-GUIs between
GNOME and KDE, Microsoft will never have anything to worry about.
On the other hand, HP, IBM, Sun, and Compaq (sorry to see you go DEC), had
better watch their backs. The 2.4 kernel is gaining ground in their
territory.
John R. Smiley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Marlin" <jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> John Smiley writes:
> > It isn't just RH that chooses this method. Every linux site that I've
seen,
> > other than SuSE, uses the same standard.
>
> Debian, Slackware, are very big linux distributions that do not even
> use RPM. I cannot eloborate any further, because the only distributions
> I have ever used are Slackware, Redhat, and SuSE.
>
> Mandrake is a Redhat descendant, and you cannot reliably mix and match
> RPM's on these linuxes either. If you think you can you are mistaken.
> If I need an app that there is no RPM for or, if the RPM is out of date,
> I make my own.
>
> >
> > John
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jesse Marlin" <jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "Matthew" <matthew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> >
> >
> > > John Smiley writes:
> > > > Matt,
> > > >
> > > > I was using Red Hat. I got turned off by the problems they
introduced
> > in
> > > > 7.0 with their introduction of the not-yet-ready-for-prime-time
glibc
> > 2.2
> > > > package. I switched to SuSE when I saw how well the supported
Oracle
> > and I
> > > > really like the docs supplied in the distro. Much better than RH.
My
> > main
> > > > gripe is SuSE's seemingly non-standard way of packaging RPMs.
> > >
> > > You mean there's a standard, or the way Redhat chooses to do it. The
RPM
> > > package manager was never meant to be distribution generic.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Matthew" <matthew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello John,
> > > > >
> > > > > 2.4 is different from 2.2 with a captial D for different
:-),
> > found
> > > > > that out...
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure what other extras will be needed....Anyone from SuSE
know
> > the
> > > > > answer to this one?
> > > > >
> > > > > You mentioned that you are new to SuSE? What were you using
before,
> > if I
> > > > > may ask?
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Matt,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was hesitant about forcing the modutils install. I didn't
know
> > if it
> > > > > > would break some of the "added extras" that SuSE provides.
What
> > are
> > > > some of
> > > > > > these extras? Would the inclusion of the raw I/O patch, lvm,
and
> > > > reiserfs
> > > > > > in the SuSE 7.0 kernel be good examples? I can obtain all of
these
> > from
> > > > > > their respective distribution sites. What other extras should
I be
> > > > aware
> > > > > > of?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Matthew" <matthew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: "John Smiley" <jrsmiley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Cc: <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 2:43 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You may need to force the installation of Modutils, I got
mine
> > > > here:
> > > > > > > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/modutils/v2.4/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > With the SuSE Kernels you get added extras that few others
offer.
> > And
> > > > for
> > > > > > > otehr apps the ones you get with SuSE should have gone
through a
> > QA
> > > > > > > process too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Matt
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, John Smiley wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: John Smiley
> > > > > > > > To: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:10 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: SuSE Newbie: Why does SuSE use custom RPMs?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am new to SuSE linux and have been having a hard time
> > getting
> > > > used
> > > > > > to the use of "SuSE RPMs" as opposed to the usual RPMs I see
posted
> > > > > > everywhere on the web. For example, it's easy to find
> > > > 'modutils-x.x.x.rpm'
> > > > > > to update the latest version of modutils on most linux
> > distributions,
> > > > but
> > > > > > SuSE uses 'modules.rpm'. And if I try to instal the modutils
rpm
> > from
> > > > say,
> > > > > > SourceForge, I get a message saying that it conflicts with
files in
> > > > SuSE's
> > > > > > 'modules' package.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another example: SuSE uses lx-suse.rpm and lx-hack.rpm
for
> > the
> > > > > > "official" and "non-supported" versions of the kernel.
Everyone
> > else
> > > > seems
> > > > > > to simply use linux-2.x.x. It's especially hard to determine
the
> > > > version
> > > > > > number of a SuSE RPM without querying it from rpm. The
standard I
> > see
> > > > > > everywhere else is to include the version number in the rpm
file
> > name.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is making it extremely hard for me to experiment.
I
> > would
> > > > like
> > > > > > to try the new 2.4.x kernel, and I've seen the posts about
> > downloading
> > > > an
> > > > > > rpm from ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/ , but this
is
> > hardly
> > > > > > main stream! I don't want to depend on someone else to put
> > together a
> > > > > > package that is compatible with SuSE. I want to download the
> > kernel
> > > > from
> > > > > > ftp.kernel.org, read the Changes docs, download the
appropriate
> > versions
> > > > of
> > > > > > the required packages and compile my kernel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please help. I'm very impressed by the amount of
support
> > SuSE
> > > > > > provides, especially where Oracle is concerned.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John R. Smiley
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> > > > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> > > > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> > > // Name: Jesse Marlin // Intec Telecom Systems //
> > > // Voice: 404-705-2912 // 5775 Peachtree-Dunwoody Road, Bldg G //
> > > // Fax: 404-705-2805 // Atlanta, GA 30342 //
> > > // Email: jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx //
> > > // Web: http://www.intec-telecom-systems.com //
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> > For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> > Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
>
>
>
> /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
> // Name: Jesse Marlin // Intec Telecom Systems //
> // Voice: 404-705-2912 // 5775 Peachtree-Dunwoody Road, Bldg G //
> // Fax: 404-705-2805 // Atlanta, GA 30342 //
> // Email: jesse.marlin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx //
> // Web: http://www.intec-telecom-systems.com //
>
> --
> To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxx
> For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@xxxxxxxx
> Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
>
>
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