Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2372 mails)

["Donald G. Knecht" <msspal@xxxxxxxx>]

and now for my two (useless) cents:
i have yet to do an install, where yast2 would even work after the
linuxrc step finished....
on a couple of machines it worked after the install was completed....in
it's defense, it did
configure the sound for me (SuSE7.0, before that had to do it
manually)-but- i have a very common sound card (sb16)...
then there's sax and now sax2- both need serious revamping or trash
them............
i have a 17" hp monitor (no, of course the model isn't listed in sax),
and it
supposed to be able to run at a maximum 1280x1024 at 60hz, according to
the mfg.
i was able to run it on SuSE 6.4 using both xf86 v.3.3.6 and 4.0 at
1248x960 (this was manually set-up)
best i can do using sax 2, is some weird 1152x870..........
it has always baffled me why after so many years of great forward leaps,
we still can't get xwindows to run painlessly..........
yast1 has been a good utility and i continue to learn more of its
features
one complaint about 7.0, the upgrade seems to have removed my
/usr/docs/howto/mini/en  directory and files..??

Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 09:05:22PM -0600, Jerry Kreps wrote:
> > I had the same problem getting my sound chip (same as yours) working,
> > and like you I could only use YaST2 to try Alsa, which didn't work for
> > me either.
> > So, since my OSS license was still good I got an upgrade and installed
> > it.  Sound is great now.
> >
> > I agree with you.  SuSE, are you listening?  Don't leave YaST1 behind
> > and put all your updates into YaST2.  In my opinion, YaST1 is more
> > powerful and flexible.
> > jlk
> >
> No they are not listening.
> Yast1 works but doesn't look very pretty
> Yast2 looks pretty but it's beauty is skin deep,
> underneath it is dumb..and slow.
> 
> Which one pleases the marketing men at computer shows
> with hot-shit 1Ghz processors with 256MB memory ..etc.. ?
> 
> I have complained about yast2 here, and email'ed them
> outside the list.
> They say bugger-all.
> 
> Cliff
> >
> >
> > On Saturday 06 January 2001 18:27, Purple Shirt wrote:
> > > Don't take the following too serious because I am losing my mind.
> > >
> > > Ok so I use SuSe since 5.3. Great product and it has come along
> > > nicely. Once in a while you cross a problem though where you think:
> > > what a fucking shit.
> > >
> > > yast2 is such problem. I read others here complain about yast2. I
> > > mean who to fuck needs this graphics crap? all I want is a working
> > > utility which assists in setup. yast1 used to be this tool and
> > > keeps being handy for my work. yast2 never really crosses my mind.
> > >
> > > previous to suse 6.4 getting sound was a bit difficult. You had to
> > > usually compile it yourself. I remember spending months in 5.3 to
> > > get my sound to work. Once I finally did it worked perfectly.
> > >
> > > until 6.4 rolled around and with it yast2 and the fact that SuSe
> > > started trying to include sound setup with its distro. From there
> > > on sound setup may have become easy for people who like yast2 and
> > > think it does a good job. For me yast2 makes sound almost
> > > impossible to enjoy. I got opl3sa2 card.
> > >
> > > The problem is that if I use the alsa.rpm and alsadev.rpm and use
> > > yast2 to set sound up it gives me sound but loops forever. it's not
> > > sound its noise. So there I tell myself that I just don't use yast2
> > > and compile my sound like in the past myself.
> > >
> > > The problem is ever since suse created this automatic sound setup
> > > its impossible to compile alsa yourself. I constantly get this
> > > stupid error:
> > >
> > > amixer: Mixer 0/0 open error: Invalid argument
> > >
> > > So now I spend 3 hours on trying to get my sound back. I had it
> > > achieved once under 6.4 and 7.0 but it took me hours and now where
> > > I put new HD in my box I came to the same problem again. The sound
> > > is harder to configure than it was before suse tried to do it for
> > > me.
> > >
> > > The problem now isn;t even that I don't have sound. The mixer 0/0
> > > problem will not even vanish if I uninstall and reinstall packages
> > > freshly. what a junk.
> > >
> > > I wish we all go back to good old text file setup and none of this
> > > yast2 junk.
> > >
> > > sorry for the rant.
> > >
> > > mk
> > >
> > > PS: I noticed there was now a conf.modules and modules.conf file in
> > > the distro. Maybe I slept but since when did this happen? It's not
> > > even symlinked. They are separate files. is SuSE so special that it
> > > needs it both ways?
> > >
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