Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2269 mails)

[bjornts@xxxxxxxxx (Bjørn Tore Sund)]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Michael Hasenstein wrote:
> BjXrn Tore Sund wrote:
> 
> > This is good and useful advice.  Thanks.  I'll have a look at it.  On
> > the other hand, you do not address my complaints about the problems
> > with yast{1,2}.
> 
> All I can do is forward them, I've nothing whatsoever to do with SuSE
> Linux development. I'm the major Oracle guy around here, that's all...

Then I'm sorry.  I saw the suse.com address, and threw myself at
someone who responded.  It's the first time I've had answers to
questions I've put to the list...

> > And as I go along, I'm noticing more and more problems, introduced with
> > SuSE 7.0.  Whoever concocted the idea of moving the package docs, for
> > instance?  All of a sudden /usr/doc/packages was empty, and everything
> 
> That's the LSB standard. In order to be compliant we had to move them.

So others have explained.  And I don't mind the change.  I mind them
not being properly flagged.  Any changes that means people who do their
own config-files need to change them, must be printed in releases notes.
Now I tested the installation on a couple of computers first.  If I
hadn't, I'd have been stuck with a system where my documentation web
server wouldn't have worked immediately, out-of-the-box.  I need to know
before I install, so I can have updated config-files ready when I do the
upgrade.

> > Going from SuSE 6.4 to SuSE 7.0 is going to be a lot of work for me.  So
> > much that I'm considering sticking with 6.4 and just continuing to upgrade
> > the kernel and any software SuSE provides on the ftp sites.  The latter is
> > an excellent service, as long as you ignore the web page listing the up-
> > grades.
> 
> ???
> 
> I'm also just a user - although one with @suse.de as email address - and
> I've always found  those pages very useful. What is it you don't like about 
> them?

It's been months since I checked them, and the reason I stopped was that
i realised they were only updated several weeks after the packages were
actually out on the ftp site.  These days, I simply check the ftp site
every two weeks or so, as well as after security announcements.

> Anyway, I've just upgraded my machine as well, and don't see any
> difficulties. Of course, for a sysadmin with lots of machines and
> services that may look differently.

We have very different criteria.  And I find myself looking for very
different things when I install on my home computer and my own work
station at work.  With those, I can fiddle, test, and take the time
to give the individual machine lots of attention, to make it happy.

I can't do that with thirty machines.

Hmmm.  I never noticed the parallel with raising a child/handling
a kindergarten group before. :)

> > I wouldn't use APM on my servers.  On the other hand, I find being able
> > to shut klient machines _completely_ off with 'shutdown -h' very handy.
> > I also hope to get support in apmd for suspending the monitor.  For
> > both of these things, as I understand it, the APM kernel is necessary.
> 
> Not if you run X. X can do that...

Suspend the monitor?  If it can, I haven't figured it out.  What X 
certainly cannot do, is power-off the machine after a shutdown -h.

Bjørn

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