Am I the only one that is sick of this lame ass flame war??? If you have a problem and need help, ask a question. Otherwise shut the hell up so the rest of us can get something done! My mailbox doesn't need these types of messages any longer. What a waste of bandwidth. . . and I don't care if my message is hypocritical, someone has to say "end it". -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Darren R. Weber drw@linuxfan.com ICQ# 2849193 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, you wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 lwr1@bellatlantic.net wrote:
downloaded, from the SuSE mirrors. I had one box that the kernel upgrade (using the binary rpms, thank you very much) was a complete nightmare. Another one, piece of cake. Using the same files downloaded from a SuSE mirror, shared over the lan via nfs. Errrr, perhaps you forgot, running linux IS essentially beta testing...
That's a great excuse. So when is it NOT going to be beta testing? Tomorrow? After kernel 4?
Oh, I know. Now you are going to complain that we don't give specific examples. But when I do, are you going shuffle me off w/ a 'why didn't you submit a bug report?'? Why? Because for one, these are pretty basic. If SuSE was going to do something about them, I think they would have done it before the software came out, as there is little chance they could have missed them (I could be wrong) Guess that means that SuSE has to re-author ALL software in the world. I think that project is going to start RIGHT after Microsoft starts writing bug-free software...
Well, it would be nice to be able to upgrade without worrying about whether my faxing is going to be completely broken or that 2 out of the 3 popular GUI rpm tools will be broken.
4) Did everyone see the post from the poor guy who upgraded apache, (again, a SuSE upgrade) and it now doesn't work? Didn't have a problem here myself with the same upgrade. Perhaps a bad install. Get a fair number of those with MS products at work (more windows machines than anything there), occasionally things go wrong on install and the installation isn't worth a campaign promise...
Well, considering your mailer you don't seem to use many Linux apps so you're not providing much of an example.
There's ALWAYS someone where everything go wrong, and (almost) always it's NOT our fault. Yes it is, ya didn't booby-trap the package to kill off idiots.
What is going on here? I cannot believe that SuSE is releasing 7.0 in 10 days, and their 6.4 is such a heap. Or maybe that is the plan..... Guess this guy never used Microsoft products...
So as long as we're not as crappy as MS products we're ok? That seems to be your theme throughout your responses.
And back to my previous gripe, I'd like to not have a filesystem hyped that isn't quite ready for primetime.
Reading this discussion I think I'm starting to see the benefit of a limited set of well-tested apps like the BSDs rather than a ton of untested apps.
Greg
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