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[SLE] OT: Linux Stocks: Is Linux Ready for the Market? (was RE: [SLE] SuSE 7 Deluxe now vmware talk)
- From: tbutler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Timothy R. Butler)
- Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:25:41 -0500
- Message-id: <000201c00283$0b2acea0$0101a8c0@g4958>
That stock deal is all well and good - if you have enough money that you can
afford to loose. I'd love to buy a bunch of RedHat and be able to afford to loose
$4,000 - but I just can't feasibly do that. While it's good to support companies
you like (personally I don't have anything against MS), it's hard for the little
guy to take such a loss just to avoid better buys like Microsoft. Perhaps after we
see some profits and such...
I think the way Linux companies are going to make a profit is off of additional
support and training services, personally. I don't see a future in boxed set
profits as broadband and CDRW are becoming much more popular - which also means
Linux stocks will continue to plummet, at least until they find their true
specialty (consulting services).
Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks
Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996
ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Purple Shirt [mailto:purpleshirt@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 8:42 AM
> To: sienix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE 7 Deluxe now vmware talk
> I take your point and all the others. Yes, everybody tries to cut cost as we
> are all not rich but you have to give SuSE some credit.
> It's a tough business to beat Microsoft and get a Linux version on a PC. And
> now where we(all Linux distros) are in the open market we are free bait. I
> must say if Linux doesn't make positive earnings within 2 years something
> terrible could happen. The whole model of free software could get flushed
> down the drain.
> You must understand that a company like RedHat can only stay on the stock
> market for a certain amount of time and make a loss. SuSE announced they
> will go IPO soon and this means if they don't make money eventually the
> company goes out of business.
> Why is that a threat? Because nobody would buy SuSE. Why would you buy SuSE
> if you could buy Corel??? Corel at least got WordPerfect. Why buy SuSE if
> you could buy Caldera? Caldera at least now seems to get Unix trademark from
> Hence if Linux companies keep crawling on the floor IBM, Gateway, AOL will
> sooner or later lose interest and we might all go back to Windows because
> free software model has failed.
> What is the solution? Gain as many users as possible and that quickly. Now
> SuSE can handle a short term loss of revenue if you don't buy the next
> version but they must gain an additional user instead to make up the loss.
> They are trying to do this now. I hope they succeed. How can you help free
> software win? Bring Linux close to all your friends. The more people use it
> the lower the cost will be soon.
> Honestly I believe there is too few business people among the techie crowd.
> Everybody here bitches about 20 bucks. I lost 4,000 dollars on RedHat stock
> over the last 6 months. I still haven't sold the stock. I don't even use
> RedHat and never seen their products. I am though commited to Linux and I
> can take this short term loss if over long term I make a bit off money and I
> can handle taking this hit now if it helps sustain price stability among the
> I am real curious about how many Linux users own Linux stock. I bet it
> doesn't approach 20%. I hope you don't take this to the heart but I think
> every Linux user who doesn't have an interest in a rising stock price of
> Linux companies is killing Linux. The market is evil and so far Linux stocks
> have been raised and lowered by daytraders. I read the business news and no
> analyst likes to touch Linux stocks. They are scared shitless to buy a
> single share because they fear it will drop to 0 any minute. The only way
> these stocks gain respect from the analysts again is if Linux users
> sequentially buy more and more shares of the Linux stocks to give it a long
> term slow-rising upwards trend. Once this trend shows analysts gain respect
> in a stock and will put their clients money into it. The effect will be slow
> growth in stock price, respect for a Linux company and healthy look on the
> charts =) and a better outlook for the future.
> So please don't tell me 25 bucks more for SuSE is a big loss for you when
> there is Linux users out there who lost thousands of dollars on Linux stock
> and still hold onto their shares because they feel they have a commitment
> with Linux and free software.
> Maybe it is time to ask the real question. How much Linux is enough for you?
> On your desktop only or also in your portfolio?
> Disclaimer: I own RedHat and Corel but don't use or never used their
> products. I simply own them because I believe in the long term strength of
> free software and Linux and I rather lose a few hundred on Linux than gain a
> dime on MSFT.
> >From: "Guy Van Sanden" <sienix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: sienix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE 7 Deluxe now vmware talk
> >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 06:10:36 -0700
> >I don't think anyone wants SuSE to stand still. But many
> >home-users are what made SuSE great. (I introduced SuSE in my
> >company because it's the distro of my choice).
> >Including reiserfs and other stuff is great. Offering a
> >seperate version of SuSE with vmware license is also great,
> >provided offcourse that we can still choose the vmware-less
> >But splitting the distro up into two parts and almost dubbling
> >the price, also for home-power-users is , I think a very bad
> >move for an Open Source company, selling an GPL based OS.
> >The last thing I would want is for any Linux company to begin
> >acting like M$...
> >Once again you seem not to understand what the goal was. People
> >on the list
> >suddenly had this HUGE interest in VMware as soon as Michael
> >"Professional comes with VMware license". There is also many
> >users on here
> >who buy every single release of SuSE. Add 1 and 1 together and
> >get 2.
> >SuSE users may want a bundled deal. SuSE users still want every
> >SuSE release
> >and stay up to date. They also want VMware. Combine the two and
> >you have
> >what I described as SuSE Expert. Hence, this is why SuSE may
> >want to look
> >into this. Maybe this is a potential product scheme.
> >Is it complicating things? Yes, but I am sure IBM has way more
> >contracts =) And yes you have to keep track but maybe it is
> >worth it. You
> >certainely will raise a lot of eye brows and gain users. I said
> >twice that
> >details have to be worked out to make this financially probable.
> >Maybe the
> >100 dollar target is way off.
> >Then you made a comment that VMware can just easily sell their
> >themselves. Oh if business was so easy. If that were true we
> >wouldn't have a
> >thread of 200 emails about how SuSE creates now two versions.
> >software doesn't sell itself so easy. Also I may like to point
> >out that
> >Microsoft didn't get to where they are by selling Windows on the
> >shelves all
> >by itself. They bundled it with everything they could possibly
> >bundle it
> >with. When I explained the SuSE Expert version and put the price
> >target to
> >100 dollars and said there was a SuSE+VMware deal I meant that
> >SuSE bundles
> >their product and then channels some of the profits back to
> >VMware. Of
> >course they can't sell a VMware license and not pay VMware. I am
> >certain this will sell more licenses of VMware than VMware could
> >ever sell by themselves for the price of 299. America is the
> >land of bundles
> >it seems. You can't walk a block without seeing some bundled
> >deal. McDonalds
> >and Britney Spears, George Foreman and grills, get a hub and two
> >nics, SuSE
> >and VMware, Linux und Musik (remember that one? =), ....
> >And people buy this bundled stuff. Time seems to have proven
> >I think the essential question is: Do you want SuSE to remain
> >forever where
> >they are, selling a single Linux product, or go out there
> >and make some serious business with people offering all kinds of
> >ranges? If it was me I would want to evolve into some strong
> >I guess I have another fact to prove my theory. SuSE now comes
> >Reiserfs. There seems to be no money involved?! But people seem
> >to love the
> >opportunity to use this file system and I bet simply by
> >including it it is
> >an advantage point to keep a SuSE user a SuSE user and not have
> >him go to
> >some other distro. hence there is money involved. Every single
> >reason which
> >keep a user a SuSe user means money for SuSE. VMware may be such
> >a reason.
> >Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with VMware in any way and have
> >never used
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