Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2407 mails)

[purpleshirt@xxxxxxxxxxx (Purple Shirt)]

Read my email correctly. I called the version SuSE Expert a third version 
SuSE would sell. It is distinguished from SuSE Professional by the special 
VMware licensing bundle.

>From: "Brevsville Administrator" <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: "Brevsville Administrator" <admin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: "suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx" <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [SLE] SuSE 7 Deluxe now vmware talk
>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 21:27:21 +950
>
>I disagree equally as strongly.
>
>I have no problem with SuSE increasing their price, but not if the
>increase is largely due to the inclusion of a vmware license.  We do not
>use vmware and do not want to pay for it.  If I want vmware I will buy it.
>
>So this begs the question.. why not have SuSE Professional with no vmware
>license  and a SuSE Profession VM  with  a higher price and includes a
>license for vmware.  While we are at it.. why not have a SuSE Professional
>WP  with a full license for WordPerfect Office .. and then a SuSE
>Professional VM WP with both licenses!!!
>
>Come'on guys...if you want it, buy the damn thing and don't make the rest
>of us pay for it.... or you or force SuSE to have 50 different distros..
>
>The other point I would like to make, is that personally I prefer an OS to
>stay an OS.  Remember the old MS DOS 2.x. That was it, it was an OS, a
>basic OS with fundamental editor (edlin.. very nice after ludwig) and that
>was it. Then look at MSDOS 6.x.. basically the same OS with every other
>thing tacked on.. it wanted to be all things to all people.. and basically
>was reduced to a bugfest.
>
>SuSE is a fine Linux distro because it is simple to install, come
>preconfigured for a range of requirements and is damn stable.  Myself and
>many of my colleagues don't even install X!  Are we to pay for VMWare
>every time we buy  SuSE when we never use it?  Many of use Buy SuSe to
>build stable servers for windoze networks...   does Netware 5 need VMWare?
>
>
>If we liked Redhat, we'd buy it.. we like SuSE to leave it alone!
>
>Chris
>
>On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:34:48 GMT, Purple Shirt wrote:
>
> >First of all I like to congratulate you to your patience as well. I think
> >people always forget to point out that you are not forced to buy SuSE if 
>you
> >don't like the way it is distributed.
> >
> >I still disagree strongly on your analysis with the VMware license.
> >
> >Even though I don't think SuSE should come with a full VMware lincense I
> >have to disagree with you on the pricing and reasoning of you.
> >
> >SuSE could include a 3-year VMware license with their professional distro
> >and sell it at 120 dollars. Reason for this is that people repurchase the
> >distribution over and over again. This means over time they repurchase 
>the
> >VMware license and therefore over time actually pay the equivalent of 299
> >for their vmware license.
> >
> >Is this of advantage to SuSE and vmware? Yes and No. I am not sure if 
>SuSE
> >would sell as many Pro versions or less due to the increased price 
>offering.
> >
> >VMware definitely will win on this and increase their user base.
> >
> >It's easy math looking at 3 year time frame.
> >
> >A user buys 6 versions of SuSe pro and one version of vmware. Cost.
> >6*70+299=720 dollars total
> >
> >A user buys 6 versions of SuSE pro with full vmware lincense included. 
>Cost.
> >6*120=720 dollars total
> >
> >Now I am an economist but of course in my sample the numbers don't sound
> >convincing. You could tweak this though, the same way you can tweak 
>Linux.
> >You can increase the time frame. The larger SuSE+VMware commitment might 
>in
> >detail look also much more complicated. The VMware lincense may be a 3 
>year
> >license instead of a 30 days one or an til-you-die licence.
> >
> >I am just saying there is lots of options on deals for SuSE to make here
> >with VMware for SuSE to become a big time reseller and make every SuSE 
>Pro
> >user also a VMware user.
> >
> >I hope the guys in SuSE marketing are thinking about this. If not you can
> >hire me. =)
> >
> >mk
> >
> >
> >PS: Damn, I just got hit in the head it fells. I think if SuSE sold a 
>SuSE
> >version called Expert you be out of this endless discussion. Endless.
> >
> >I can't believe I am giving all these marketing tips away for free. Here 
>is
> >how it works. SuSE makes big deal with VMware. SuSE combines a 3 year
> >license of VMware with each SuSE Expert version. The SuSE customer buys a
> >software on time package. The SuSE user will receive up to 6 versions of
> >SuSE over the next 3 years with a full VMware license included. Every 
>time
> >the customer receives a version he pays 120 dollars. This is perfect and 
>I
> >tell you why. For one the customer stays up to date with Linux for 3 
>years.
> >For another the customer also has the updated VMware version. Receives 
>tons
> >of handbooks and CDs and DVDs. Then he got the VMware license. The cost 
>is
> >distributed over 3 years so the customer doesn't recognize the larger 
>cost
> >as in buying a 299 dollar license by itself. I am pretty sure this could
> >work. Basically this would bind users to SuSE ad VMware at the same time. 
>If
> >the users are unsatisfied they don't have to renew their 3 year 
>contracts.
> >Of course the details are difficult and you have to keep track that the
> >users actually get 3 year VMware licenses and cannot extend their use. I
> >believe you can set the price point at 100 dollars. I tell you why. In 
>the
> >end you will gain less money than the 299 dollar price for a single 
>Vmware
> >license but eventually people will like your product for the time frame 
>and
> >the service and I rather pay 100 bucks for SuSE with a Bam than 80 bucks 
>for
> >RedHat Pro with no bam. Users will stick with SuSE and therefore the loss
> >you taking of 20 dollars on each SuSE version can be half way carried by
> >VMware and halfway by SuSE and over time this loss deminishes towards 
>zero
> >the more customers you gain and the longer they stay with SuSE products.
> >
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