Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (2522 mails)

[jbarnett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Jack Barnett)]

> > <Lot of pointless, inaccurate flamebait snipped>
> >
> > I just think you are a troll.  Learn some about CS and operating
systems.
> > Come back in a while when Bill doesn't have you under his voodoo magic.
>
> Jack,
>
> I'm not a troll. I've been using Linux for 7 years and I
> have a 1st class degree in Comp Sci. I think I know what I'm
> talking about, and I also know when I *don't* know stuff,
> which is more than can be said for a lot of people.

I was wrong for questioning yours (or anyone elses) skills, reguardless of
what you know or don't know.  That is my bad, I was pissed off when I wrote
that mail and it was wrong of me to snap like that.

But IMHO the post looked kinda trollish.

>
> What actually caused my original post was when I saw that
> Windows 98 (I think, maybe NT or W2K) does what we call IP
> masquerading. It seems that Microsoft is catching up with
> the system level power of Linux and slowly erradicating our
> advantages. This worries me.

First if you have or haven't noticing, running W2k or NT is impossiable or
extremely slow to run on 486 gear with limited ram for ip masq/NAT/routing.
Clearly here you have to admit Linux is very strong on older equipment or
smalled dedicated tasks like routing.  Win98 will run, but it will munch a
lot of disk space, where an entire Linux router could be booted off 2 floppy
disks.

For a test, try getting any Windows (weather it be win3.1 or W2k) running on
a 486 w/ 4 megs of ram, no hard drive, 2 floppy disks that will do NAT.
Clearly Linux wins here.

What have we learned here?  We know that linux is small and tight.  A clear
advantage over windows** where it takes anywhere from 20 megs to 150 megs of
disk space just to install the base system.

Also try getting an exact same enovirment with any Windows (weather it be
win3.1 or W2k) across a i386, sparc, alpha platforms. Oh wait expect for a
few (old and unsupported) versions of NT, windows isn't cross-platform.
What have we learned here?  Linux is portable.

Got a bug in your system? Under linux you can, fix the bug insteading of
waiting for SuSE or Red Hat post a fix.  Under Windows?  Wait for it to show
up on Microsoft's web site.  Free Software means alot.  Besides the fact
that it is cheaper by windows, you can legally change any parts of the
freely distrubated source code for your own benifit as long as you release
any modifications you have made.  Try changing something in windows and see
where it gets you, probably in jail or sued most likely.

Also say you need a dedicated server with remote access.  Why should it have
a fancy GUI eating up memory and CPU cycles?  Detact the GUI, even delete it
from the system.  Yes Linux can do that.  No I don't think
Windows95,98,NT,W2k can do this and still funcation properly.  What have we
learned here?  Linux is moduler and can be custom fitted to any sisuation.

There is something I am unclear on since I am not famlair with Windows.

Please show me how to config a dedicated NT or W2k with build in freely
avaiable secure remote access (like OpenSSH for example), delete the GUI
windowing system and config, use and admin everything by a secure remote
terminal using all command line tools.  Oh and also please send links where
I could download all this software for free and get all document and support
for also no cost.  I will admint, I haven't given NT or W2K a fair chance,
please give me insturctions on how to do this and I will be %100 open minded
to the process.  If not, my servers will stay unix. :)

Windows (any version from 95-w2K) is %100 easier for the "normal consumer"
user to use, I will give you that.  They do an excellence job at this.  But
I have yet to see one good thing about a Microsoft OS that would suit it to
be in a server-type envoriment.  Linux was based (not directly) off Unix.
Unix has always been forced on server market machine, therefore Linux is
targeted towards the server market.  IMHO I think Linux makes a dam good
server compared to any version of windows.

>
> If you think this is also a troll, kindly keep your mouth
> shut and let others make constructive comments.
>

It appeared at first to be a troll and still have some doubts.

Jack


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