Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (3394 mails)

[scsijon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (scsijon)]

UM, I really must agree. 

The only thing was to ask what percentage would you give M$ to
be desktop ready. Splitting Operating System Stability and User Approved
Application I give the following.

System		10%
Application	90%

csijon

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> From: Joe Hylkema <josephhy@xxxxxxx>
> To: SJ Black <alphafemale@xxxxxxxxxxx>; SuSE Mailing List
<suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [SLE] CNN, SusE, Lousy PR
> Date: Sunday, 5 March 2000 22:34
> 
> At the risk of starting a flamewar, I completely agree with Miss Black. 
I
> reject the idea that Linux can't compete with M$ on the desktop,
especially
> in a corporate environ ment.
> 
> As for compatibility with M$ apps, I regularly open my papers that I did
on
> Word 6.0 a few years back, print them, and hand them in this semester as
my
> "research project" using WordPerfect 8 for Linux.  And the price was
right
> - free as opposed to $300 - $1,000 for M$ Office.  :)  Works beautifully.
> I  need Money$uck for two things.  One of them is watching my DVD movies
> (I have an ATI Rage Fury DVD-accelerated video card and ATI has been less
> than forthcoming with Linux support.  If anyone can help out here let me
> know.)  The other is doing my homework for my "Programming with Visual
> BASIC" course.  Don't really have a choice there, do I?  And as I
mentioned
> earlier, I'm only a couple of notches above a desktop user.  I'm not a
> hacker by any means.
> 
> I disgree with Miss Black about the Netscape crashes somewhat - Netscape
> does crash,  but it crashes MUCH less often than Internet Exploder.
> 
> On another note, I think preconfigured, preloaded Linux boxes would be an
> excellent choice for users like Susan, the secretary at my church.  In
her
> words "I only use a comptuer because I have to and I don't give a shit
how
> it works, just make it work!"  Which would be a better choice for the
> Susans of this world - something that flashes up an "EXPLORER.EXE caused
a
> general protection fault in module 0xblahblahblah . . . "?  Or a product
> that can be left running for years without so much as a restart and that
is
> worlds ahead in stability and security?
> 
> Make no mistake about it.  Linux boxes running X Windows are ready for
the
> desktop and more than ready to supplant anything M$ has to offer.
> 
> Just my $0.02 worth from a poor college student.
> 
> SJ Black wrote:
> 
> > > I don't understand what the noise is all about.  Roland
> > > Dyroff is right about every point he brought up.
> >
> > OK, if you think this is so, please be specific. I'm curious as to what
> > cannot be done under Linux. I haven't found anything so far.
> >
> > I can read MS Word documents. I can certainly translate them into
> > hypertext with minimal fuss and time, and relay them back to whomever
> > sent them. I can listen to anything, from MP3's to .wav to .mod files.
> > Hell, I can even produce files in all of those formats. I can set up a
> > network, get mail, and do all manner of thing, both in business-related
> > activity, and in programming. I can get shockwave-enabled web pages. To
> > paraphrase the X-Files, the stuff is out there. Mostly, it's free!
> >
> > I have *completely* supported hardware. The only time this was not the
> > case, i was running a winmodem. Easily rectified, even on a tiny
budget.
> > I even hear that drivers for winmodems are in the works.
> >
> > Netscape crashes? Under what conditions? Usually, there are
> > dead-easy solutions/ workarounds. Another milestone, another
> > improvement.
> >
> > <snip> the ability to handle MS Office documents (Word, Excel, etc.)
> > with 100% accuracy.
> >
> > Let me give you an example of why this is *not* the be all and end-all
> > for businesses: Apple. Runs M$ Office stuff well.
> > Reliable. All kinds of apps available for it. Still struggling to get a
> > bigger slice of the pie. Why? It's easier than any PC to run out of the
> > box...
> >
> > Son, the difference is marketing. Who presents what kind of image to
the
> > idiot user. Not the availability of apps, not the idiot-proofness of
the
> > system. Marketing. And Dyroff is doing really lousy things to SuSE's
> > image by what he's said.
> >
> > Improve the system? Always...ever since '91. That's what differentiates
> > the Open Source gang from the Microsoft gang.
> >
> > Believe it or not, it's ready. Not perfect, but ready.
> >
> > Alpha
> >
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