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Hello Linux Users

Reason is not devoted to solve the problems that we have with SuSE Linux and
to
leave us of polemic absurd

Thanks.

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De: Ezekiel J. Krahlin <ezekielk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Para: Wolfgang Weisselberg <weissel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx <suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx>
Fecha: domingo 24 de mayo de 1998 05:23 a.m.
Asunto: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] S.u.S.E. install does not have my CD-ROM

>
>At 12:45 PM 5/23/98 +0200, you wrote:
>>Since you seem to have a problem with people maybe denying what they
>>wrote to you, this mail will carry my digital signature.
>
>I have no problem with any of them...I have dealt with idiots before. I am,
>however, highly amused at the hysteria you, and several others, are emoting
>for whatever absurd reason. I have read all your diatribe, all of which is
>way off base, and irrelevant. If anyone had any reasonable attitude, they
>would request our one "satan" to back off...it is not decent netiquette.
>
>I am not interested in perpetrating arguments with tiresome and petty
>attitudes, which you, and several others, insist on maintaining as your
>agenda. Suffice it to say that all your time-wasting explanations below,
>are nothing more than that: time-wasting. They are also highly
>manipulative. It would behoove you, and anyone else, to cease dumping
>private email on me...as the only excuse you have is to scapegoat. As I
>stated clearly, in an earlier message, I will not continue this thread, as
>long as people stop posting me in private. Don't blame me for what is a
>group responsibility...you want to have your cake and eat it, too...well,
>I'm sorry, but I don't operate that way. Anyone who continues posting to
>me--either in the thread, or in private, is pushing the issue...then blames
>me for any reply!
>
>You can say anything you want to me, on the public thread...and you won't
>get my reply. You insist on sending me private mail, yet get upset when I
>respond publicly. So I said: Okay, I will not respond to any public
>comments in this thread, only I will reply to anyone who persists in
>private mail...and you already know this. So this is what you want: an
>excuse to bump me out...therefore, you perpetrate private mail, I respond,
>and voila! you have your scapegoat. But that doesn't change the truth one
>whit.
>
>Your attitude is not only hysterical, but mean-spirited. I have not heard a
>peep from anyone, criticizing your friend "satan"'s behavior, that put me
>in a position to speak out. Then for you and several others to condemn me,
>as if I were the antagonist, is ridiculous. Excuse me for disrupting your
>adoration of your wonderful Satan. I have never seen a more appropriate
>handle for the likes of him...he is on a power trip, and you suck up to it.
>Mea culpa, mea culpa! You should go to confession Saturday, and get your
>exorcise! Isn't there a little too much head-spinning and spewing on your
>part, and some others here? Yuck! What is all this nasty green gunk! Well,
>here's your witless message to me, for all to read, if they want (I will
>not defend myself against your immature remarks; it's not worth my time):
>
>
>
>>Trying to kill the keyboard, ezekielk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx produced:
>>>
>>> At 04:51 PM 5/22/98 +0200, you wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Please stop posting flames like this to the mailing list... there's
people
>>> >there who do not care about any of the issue, and we pay for
downloading
>>> >mail (no free local calls in Germany)..
>>>
>>> The person who is trashing me, is the one you need to talk to. This is:
>>
>>Actually, if someone, anyone, sends you personal mail and you post it
>>(which you did, in a way) in a public forum, you have stepped over the
>>borders of .netiquette. Some people warn that they may do so in their
>>signature, you don't. And I guess you didn't say so on your web page
>>(which I won't look at, I don't feel like paying 50 cents just for the
>>phone costs to surf your pages. Loading them on block in the middle of
>>the night costs less, though).
>>
>>Now, I realize you may not understand .netiquette. You really should,
>>it's like learning your local laws. But apart from breaking these
>>unwritten laws, *you*, *Ezekiel J. Krahlin* carried the flames from
>>personal email into a well visited group. Nothing against a well
>>written flame every other month, but once it is taken from (or even
>>better, not started in) a public forum, it should _stay_ out.
>>
>>So please understand that pointing fingers is childish and if you need
>>audience (he didn't, he made it private), you are the loosing part. It
>>would have been enough to say on the list: "He flamed me, bugger, I
>>guess he goes to /dev/null now", it would have brought the point
>>across.
>>
>>Also please understand that on the net, may it be usenet or email
>>lists, you tend to get flames every now and then. You get bloody noses.
>>That's part of life. If you don't like it, keep out.
>>
>>Oh, did you know that SuSE is a German company and thus you'd probably
>>find more German readers on this list than US ones?
>>
>>> I said nothing offensive to anyone, that could justify his remarks.
>>
>>I think you seemed to him as either very self-righteous or unwilling to
>>read&explore a bit on your own or flaming SuSE for being different or
>>whining ... all of which I would understand. After all, it isn't
>>exactly rocket science to load a module --- and the modularized way is
>>the right one.
>>
>>And remember, on the list people are not paid for helping people. They
>>do so out of their good heart and on the chance they may want and get
>>help one day, too. If someone *seems* to behave extraordinarily stupid
>>I would recomend them to return to whatever they came from and not
>>bother or smarten up and learn (or pay for help/a competent
>>administrator) --- but live with their choice.
>>
>>> He had
>>> no right to send me personal email filled with insults.
>>
>>Well, you wrote to the list, i.e. solicited answers. Some of them come
>>in email, because they are off topic. He did not mailbomb you, either,
>>nor tried to hack your system or anything. He did not place advrtising
>>costs on you. I guess it's called free speech (and you are free to send
>>it to /dev/null, too). You can try to sue him for his words, if that
>>makes you feel any better, but that would be even more childish.
>>
>>> So I replied to him
>>> in the list, in order for others to see what one of their regular
>>> participants has done.
>>
>>So you broke the .netiquette in order to score a minor point --- are
>>you a masochist and want to draw fire?
>>
>>If you have *personal* problems with one of the list, use *personal*
>>email. Don't draw me into it.
>>
>>> He is on my twit filter. Here is how I have the filter set up: any
private
>>> message to me that now comes from one "satan@xxxxxxxxxxx", will
>>> automatically be sent to my trash bin, as well as forwarded to
>>> "suse-linux-e@xxxxxxxx". That way, all will see his mail to me--if any
more
>>> does arrive--without being bothered about it myself.
>>
>>And if you do so, I will have to write to your ISP that you are
>>maliciously spamming a mailing list. You have been warned, right here,
>>right now. And I can assure you --- no provider is willing to put up
>>with this.
>>
>>Actually, you will also have all your mails to the list moved to
>>/dev/null and will be removed from the list by the SuSE people if it
>>becomes a problem (like a mail loop). If I were them, I'd let you pay
>>for the work, per hour, minimum three hours, because you acted
>>maliciously and even admitted it.
>>
>>Think hard ... do you want that?
>>
>>You are putting yourself into the role of a perpetrator with this act.
>>(And I find it a bit hard to belive that someone able to put up a
>>mailfilter that way is unable to try a bit to insert a module.)
>>
>>> (This is a very short message, as was my public reply to "satan"...I
doubt
>>> this impinges on the expenses of your online connections.)
>>
>>It's not just one message, it is that a couple of hundred people get
>>them ...
>>
>>Also, please try not to put too much into "satan" --- that does show
>>how weak your case is. Overt religious touch might come over as
>>selfrighteous (and of that you have enough already).
>>
>>> Nevertheless, do have a talk with your "satan" participant, as he is the
>>> offender, not me. I know it's a fast solution to blame the victim, but
it's
>>> not the truthful manner.
>>
>>hah.
>>
>>You perpetrated the flames (back) to the list. You try to make ME (and
>>a few hundred others) miserable if your opponent mails you. Why does
>>this remind me of terrorist/hostage situations? You know, "If you
>>do/don't XXX, we'll kill the victim and *you* are to blame!".
>>
>>You are holding me, no, me and the entire list, hostage just because
>>you feel treated badly by one of the list ("us" -- even though I/"we"
>>don't know him). "Sippenhaft" is what it was called in Germany in a
>>dark age not too long ago. It's what totalitarian states do to their
>>dissidents and critics and to simple people trying to escape.
>>
>>Are you really sure you want to do this, "victim"?
>>
>>
>>Victim, indeed you are a victim ...
>>but not of Michael Lankton.
>>
>>YOU, Ezekiel are a victim of yourself and your seemingly very small
>>horizon when it comes to dealing with flames. If you'd just plonked
>>him, OK, but what you do is evil, vile and neither "an eye for an eye"
>>nor showing the other cheek as well ...
>>
>>Think about it.
>>Think very hard about it.
>>Do you really want to do what you do?
>>
>>
>>-Wolfgang
>>
>>PS: next time someone with a knife runs up to you you plant a nuclear
>>    bomb in his hometown, too?
>>
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>>  Is our economy _so_ weak we have to tolerate SPAMMERS? I guess not.
>>
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