Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (668 mails)

[wtopa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Wayne Topa)]

Tom

  I agree the the install of SuSE isn't a bit like Slackware or the
others but:
  Even tho the book is a bit confusing, it does work.  You just have
to expirment a bit.  I loaded up a BIG installation 1st and ran out of
HD space ( Over 1 Gig!) so backed off, started again & installed from
scratch again.  Some things fell into line after I had done it a
couple of times.  Do I understand why some things are done as they
are, no. Do I care, YES.  But, even if a newbie would have trouble,
you seem to have done enough other installations that it will soon
come to you.

  Bottom line, I prefer Slackware, as I don't like Installation
managers that say they do it all, and don't.  SuSE isn't perfect, yet,
but im my mind I would do this again over RedHat 5 times to sunday.
I have only been using this for a week and I like the challenge
more on this distribution then on any of the others.  It took me 
less time to make SuSE work (somewhat) than I spent on RedHat or
Debian.

  I'll take the good with the bad and stay plugging away st SuSE.
The support is better then I ever saw from redhat and this list has as
much information as the Debian list.  Stay cool and keep at it.
German engineering has always been good and I think that SuSE Linux
may just prove that the Software guys over there Know what they are
doing.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Wayne

        Subject: Re: [S.u.S.E. Linux] Installer Problems
        Date: Mon, Feb 02, 1998 at 06:11:04PM -0800

In reply to:Bodo Bauer

Quoting Bodo Bauer (bb@xxxxxxx):
> 
> Tom Schaefer wrote:
> > Yes, but the messages are meaningless and are not informative as to
> > finish time, etc.The installer should not allow the user to anything
> > which would jeopardize the install.
> 
> Nothing happends if you reboot, only the scripts are starting again. 
> It won't mess up your system.
>  
> > > >  However, by probing around, I see the Yast installer is
> > > unpacking
> > 
> > > > MAN pages and all sorts of other stuff, unbeknownst to the user.
> > >
> > > > You need to alert the installer that something else is
> > > happening.
> > >
> > > It's generating a locate DB, a apropos DB, doublechecks the
> > > permissions, etc.
> > >
> > 
> > It shouldn't do the locate db stuff unless the user wants to. It
> > adds quite a bit of time to wait for it to finish.
> 
> But this doesn't hurt anybody. You can use the system during the
> scripts are running, that's why we put them in the background.
>  
> > > > I have noticed that if you reboot too soon, Yast appears to be
> > > activated
> > > > at boot up to either finish or do MORE stuff, which is not
> > > properly
> > > > explained. So I never really know if everything has been
> > > installed
> > > > properly.
> > >
> > > If you install the system the very first time, you can't switch
> > > the
> > > CDs because your root filestystem is on CD1.
> > 
> > THEN EXPLAIN THIS DURING THE INSTALL.
> 
> YaST brings up a message, what else do you want? 100 of pages that 
> explain what is done exactly? Noone would read this (exept you...).
>  
> > > That's why yast is
> > > started right after rebooting the system. It should now complete
> > > the
> > > installation and ask you for CD2 and or CD3 to get the missing
> > > packages
> > > installed.
> > >
> > 
> > NO IT DOES NOT ... Once you reboot the system, the installer may
> > start, but there is nothing prompting me to insert Cd2, and since
> > that is not explained - why would I be inserting CD2 or 3 after a
> > reboot?   SIMPLIFY!
> 
> You are the first person I heard of who had this trouble. It seems it 
> is simple enough for anybody else. Am I wrong?
>  
> > You can reboot and just use the machine how you see fit after the
> > first reboot. Nothing is being explained on the console directly to
> > the installer (user) that you are going to need CD 2 or 3. NEVER.
> > 
> > What you fail to understand, that anyone that has previously used
> > Solaris, Caldera, Slackware, or even Red Hat - you don't reboot the
> > machine to finish the install. All packages are extracted, THEN the
> > machine is configured and THEN you do a reboot.
> 
> It's the same with our distribution. Perhaps this is the mistake you 
> made. When YaST is finished the first time the installation procedure
> is going back to initrc. Then the installed system will be bootet. You
> can say the installation is made 'during the boot'. 
>  
> > If you've mounted CD 1 as a filesystem, then you can UNMOUNT IT for
> > CD 2 and 3.
> 
> During the very first installation you can't unmount it, becouse it 
> is used as root-filesystem. When the installed system runs, switching
> CDs is not a problem.
>  
> > You are overfamiliar with your installer.  SIMPLIFY
> > SIMPLIFY SIMPLIFY
> > 
> > Watch someone who has NEVER installed from your distribution. And
> > don't coach them along the way.
> > 
> > You'll see what I mean.
> 
> I did, it worked...
>  
> > > Then Yast starts some scripts like told above. If these scripts
> > > don't
> > > get enough time to finish (because of a reboot) the procedure
> > > starts
> > > again...
> > >
> > 
> > YES BUT THIS IS NOT EXPLAINED. The first time I installed your 5.0,
> > I wrongly assumed the install was finished when in fact it was still
> > completing as explained before.
> 
> It is explained in the message you get before the scripts are
> startet.
>  
> Ciao,
> 	BB
> 
> PS: Please dont SHOUT, I have no problem reading small caps....

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